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  1. Hello, I’m close to buying a new Leica. Trying hard to make the right decision. All options remain on the table, but I’m leaning towards a SL2-S or SL3. I made the decision to go Leica about a year ago. At the time, I was excited. I thought it’d be easy. Little did I know. The good thing is: it’s been a year. I’ve used that time wisely, I hope, to consider a lot (reading posts, watching videos, and trying out different cameras). I’m almost there. But before I pull the trigger again (more about that in a moment), I’d love to get some input, so if you have any thoughts to share … I’m all ears! A little about me: I’ve got a good amount of life experience and been a photographer for many years. Over the past decades I’ve shot Nikon film cameras & different mirrorless cameras including Fuji, Sony and Ricoh. I enjoy shooting landscapes, city buildings and some street in the endless pursuit of creating photographic art. I have a passion for B&W. So much so that after nearly a year, I made the decision to purchase a “like new” Q2 Monochrom. Unfortunately, it had debris in the viewfinder that I found distracting so I returned it. The experience was a good one because it caused me think even deeper about my commitment level and what I really want. They say the Leica Q’s are the “gateway drug” in the Leica world and I now see why. Yeah, even after a very short time with one. I’m someone that would be very happy with a Monochrom only camera. I shoot 90% B&W (at least), and the ability shoot at night with very high ISO’s with a camera that doesn’t have a bayer filter, and noise that looks more filmic is a very attractive proposition. If I missed color, I could always carry my trust Ricoh GRIII I Ruled Out a Leica Q I’ve ruled out another Q camera for several reasons, with the biggest being that I’ve got some wonderful vintage lenses and want to use them on a Leica (rather than continue using them on my Sony I think). Maybe a M11 or M10 Monochrom? I thought an M11 monochrome … or maybe an M10? … was the answer but I’m not sure a rangefinder’s for me. I mean I LOVE the look. Truly. It’s … beautiful. But I love shooting fast lenses. The rangefinder focusing … nice … but when it comes to focusing some lenses like a f/0.95 or even f/1.2 on a rangefinder … I want an EVF for critical focus. Sure, there’s a great external EVF for the M11 … and I’d be fine with buying that if I needed to, but in my opinion, it kinda messes with the whole rangefinder aesthetic to have to put that on the hot shoe. Also, I’ve heard more than one person talk about their rangefinder’s going out of alignment - and needing to be sent back in for recalibration. I’ve also read about freezing issues some have said they’d experienced with their Leica M11’s on this forum. On top of that, I like to focus CLOSE sometimes (not macro but down to 3/4 or 1/2 a meter) with my vintage lenses … I’ve can do that with an adapter on my Sony A7RIVa with vintage m mount lenses that normally wouldn’t be able to focus that close but would not be able to do that when using them on a Leica M. That frankly is a big deal (for me). Leica SL-2S or SL3? So that’s led me to consider a Leica SL-2s or maybe a SL3? Pros: Ability to convert M lenses and focus close using M to CL adapters. Check Built-in beautiful EVF. Check. More affordable than a Leica M11 Monochrom - check No calibration needed. Cons: No monochrome sensor in sight. Sigh. It’s so … BIG!! The M11 looks so much more inviting. Big Red Dot & Big Leica in big white letters … sheesh! I so prefer the look of the monochrom cameras. Discreet. So tape it up and cover up the dot I guess is the solution there. Perhaps not the best for street? More suited for studio than street? In conclusion: At the end of the day - is a Leica SL2s and/or SL3 worth spending thousands of dollars more - or should I just stick with my 60 megapixel Sony A7R-IVa and call it a day? Has anyone upgraded from the SL2-s to the SL3 .. .and if so, was it worth it? And why? Has anyone owned both a Leica M10/M11 along with a Leica SL series camera and if so, which do you prefer and why? Anyone move from a Leica Monochrome camera to the SL line ? Any regrets? Thoughts and/or Recommendation would be much appreciated. Thanks!
  2. Leica M10 design is already quite minimalistic, though sometimes it'd be nice to not paying attention to the presence of extra buttons and LCD screen. It's great that M10-D version exists for that purpose. How about introducing similar optional experience to the M10 cameras with screens. This DIY 3D print project is still in progress, and here's the related article with more details and future updates. 3D models linked there are free for download and personal use.
  3. Hi, I was wondering if there is a M10 blackpaint. I can only find M10Rs with blackpaint. Does anybody know about a M10 bp? cheers Peter
  4. Hallo, heute ist es genau ein Jahr her, dass ich mir eine gebrauchte Leica M10 gekauft habe. Das nehme ich nun zum Anlass, ein paar Zeilen darüber zu schreiben, warum ich mir die Kamera gekauft habe und ich auch ein Jahr später noch glücklich damit bin. Mit Leica Messsucherkameras fotografiere ich schon seit Jahrzehnten und seit Anfang der Neunziger praktisch ausschließlich. Im November 2006 habe ich mir eine M8 gekauft und diese gut 16 Jahre als meine Hauptkamera genutzt. Für mich eine tolle Kamera, aber die Zeit geht gerade an digitalen Kameras nicht ganz spurlos vorbei. Und her spielte ich schon eine Weile mit dem Gedanken mir eine neue Kamera zu gönnen. Aber musste es wirklich wieder eine sündhaft teuere Leica werden? Was mache ich überhaupt mit meiner Kamera? Sie ist meine ständige Reisebegleiterin auf meinen zahlreichen Dienstreisen, meine „Gehhilfe“ für meist abendliche Fotospaziergänge in fremden Gegenden und die Kamera mit der ich private Erinnerungen festhalte (Reisebilder: https://www.instagram.com/tim_travels_light/ ). Und ich bin ein „Ein-Kamera-Mensch“. Ich will nur eine Kamera haben und die muss ich überall mit hin nehmen können. Sie kommt einfach in den Rucksack oder den Messenger Bag und los geht’s … eine Rolle, wie gemacht für eine M. Aber ich fotografiere häufig bei schlechtem, oder gar sehr schlechtem Licht … mit der M2/ M4-P und M6 fühlte ich mich mit Kodak T-Max 3200 und CN400 immer gut gerüstet… aber Korn ist eben doch etwas anderes als digitales Rauschen und mangelnder Dynamikunmang … Hin und wieder mache ich auch mal ein paar kleine Auftragsarbeiten für meine Frau. Das sind dann Fotos für Websites und Flyer. Meine Reise von der M8 zur M10: Zunächst habe ich mit einen Leica M Adapter für die Sony Alpha 7 unseres mittleren Sohnes besorgt und meine Leica M Optiken an der Kamera ausprobiert. Das funktioniert zwar, ist aber nicht das was ich wollte. Ich habe keine wesentlichen Unterschiede bei der Bildqualität zwischen der Sony-Linse und den Leica Optiken festgestellt, aber das Handling ist einfach grottig. Und auch der elektronische Sucher mit den vielen Zusatzinformationen ist einfach nichts für mich. Es passt einfach nicht zu meiner Art zu fotografieren, oder zu mir. Es macht mir einfach nicht so viel Spaß mit der Sony Alpha zu fotografieren. Aber die Bildergebnisse sind toll; von der technischen Bildqualität meines Erachtens nach locker auf dem Niveau der Leica M10. In der Tat hängt bei uns im Treppenhaus ein 80x120cm Print, der mit der Sony und dem billig anmutenden Zoomobjektiv aus dem Set aufgenommen wurde. Also nach ein, zwei Wochen „Sony-Begeisterung“ zurück zur M8. Der Spaß an der Fotografie war sofort wieder da, aber die Enttäuschung über die mangelnde Bildqualität war nun noch größer. Aber egal, einfach die Kamera die nun mal da ist einpacken und ab in die Alpen auf eine kleine Hütte im Montafon zum Skilaufen. Das war dann quasi das Todesurteil für die M8. Tagsüber bei gutem Licht toll, aber abends in der Hütte grauenhaft - verrauschte, verwackelte und flache Aufnahmen; kein Vergleich zu den iPhone Aufnahmen der Anderen. Ich habe ein paar schöne Landschaftsaufnahmen von meinen Skitouren mitgebracht u d die Erkenntnis, dass ich entweder in der Kombination M8 & Smartphone fotografieren muss, oder doch mal bei eBay nach einer neueren M schauen sollte. Also dann doch wieder die M6 und einer der Kodaks, die noch im Schrank lagern. Klasse, macht Spaß, aber der Filmscanner und der Vergrößerer sind schon lange eingemottet und zurück will ich im Moment nicht. Ja und dann stand sie da in der Vitrine eines Fotohändlers direkt gegenüber der Arztpraxis aus der ich gerade kam. Also schnell mal rein und kurz so eine moderne M in die Hand nehmen … da war dann sofort klar, die oder keine … aber nur, wenn ich dafür weniger bezahlen muss als damals für meine M10. Ok, das hat dann erst beim dritten Besuch des Fotoladens und mit dem Verhandlungsgeschick meiner Frau geklappt, aber seit einem Jahr habe ich eine nagelneu aussehende M10. Ich musste die 2017er Firmware erstmal updated, die Kamera bei Leica registrieren und auch die Ladekabel auspacken, die noch mit den kleinen Bindern eingerollt waren und dann ging’s los. Wobei mich schon interessieren würde welche Geschichte die Kamera eigentlich hat. Ich habe mir dann als Zubehör jochen einen COOPH Rope Camera Strap, eine Displayschutzfolie und den Okulargewindeadapter für die Korrekturlinse gegönnt, den Rest hatte ich ja schon. Zur Finanzierung der M10 habe ich die M8, die M4-P mit Moto und Leica Meter und ein altes Objektiv verkauft.
  5. I'm still new to the Leica ecosystem and have acquired an M10 (used) with an Elmarit 28 ASPH (brand new). I've had this setup for a month and due to budget constraints, would like to stick with just one lens for a while. I was shooting as wide as 24mm (eqv.) on the Fujifilm X-T4 before this, so 28mm feels like home to me. Its a great focal length that I feel lends itself very well towards guiding the viewer. However, I'm having quite some trouble (I don't wear glasses) seeing the 28mm framelines on the M10. Sure, I can peek and find the lines on either side, but by the time I've composed properly on one side, I've lost sight of the other; and I see the effect on the final picture. It also makes shooting quickly (so far), very hard, I have to spend some time composing the shot and ensuring both sides are to my liking. I've missed shots in the process. I've used the frameline selector to see what the 35mm framelines would look like and they are much better. I've shot with the 35mm before, and even tried a used 35mm summicron (ASPH) earlier. However, I found it to be pretty dull (low contrast, flat, but it was a used copy, so I'm not sure if that's normal). And I think by moving a little, I can make the 35mm look more like 28mm (in most cases). The extra stop of light will also be welcome since I do hit the Elmarit's limitations during the winter months, indoors. I'm in a fix and would like some advice from people who're more experienced with rangefinders than I. Am I overreacting at this stage of my journey, or should I switch? I still have 4 days to return the Elmarit (which is in pristine state), but I cannot seem to make up my mind.
  6. Hi guys, I was wondering if anyone had any experience with the 18mm Zeiss ZM Distagon on the Leica M10 specifically. Which lens profiles did you use and to what degree did it mitigate (or completely remove) colour shift? Unprocessed SOOC images would be most welcome! Thanks!
  7. I recently bought an M10 off MPB and I must say I absolutely love the camera. The rangefinder experience is what I’d been looking for all along and the colours and images coming off the camera have blown me away. I love that the images have a slight magenta tinge and the blues are poppy and saturated. At the same time the images seem to be warm and punchy. This camera is by far the best I’ve owned. The one thing that surprised me is a “repair card” in the box I received stating the camera had been repaired in 2020. This was not mentioned on MPB. I’ve gotten in touch with them and they’ve said they’ll refund me with a free return since they were also unaware. But I’m willing to overlook this. Now the dilemma is that there’s also an M10-R for sale from a local. The usual caveats apply: MPB gives me a warranty of 6 months while an individual seller will not. But it’s a newer camera with a larger sensor. I’ve been hit by FOMO. I don’t want to miss out on a newer camera and at the same time something tells me I should stick with a camera I already like. I’ve also heard that the images coming from an M10-R aren’t as punchy and need more work in post. Post processing is something I’d like to avoid, for me that defeats the purpose. I like SOOC images from the M10. Now the question I have here is this: how different is the sensor on the M10-R? Are the colours really that different? Is the 40MP sensor less forgiving? I plan to use either camera with the 28mm Elmarit and the Voigtlander 35/1.4. I’m not too interested in the bump in resolution, but the quieter shutter and touchscreen seem pretty useful. Does the M10-R suffer from freezing/crashing issues even after firmware updates? I’ve not found much research on this topic. Test images (SOOC).
  8. Liebes Forum, ich möchte mir Anfang nächsten Jahres eine digitale M anschaffen und stehe vor der Frage ob es eine M10 werden soll oder ob eine M240 nicht doch ausreicht. zu meiner Situation: Ich habe vor ca. 15 Jahren mit Nikon angefangen zu fotografieren und bin irgendwann auf Sony umgestiegen und habe diese Ausrüstung auch noch nach wie vor als meinen daily Driver (nur Hobby, Job hat nichts mit Fotos zu tun). Vor ein paar Jahren habe ich eine sehr umfangreiche Leica R-4 Ausrüstung und eine Leica M4-2 mit Objektiven (Summicron 35mm, 50mm und Tele-Elmarit 90mm) geerbt. Ich habe mich dann auch relativ intensiv mit den Systemen beschäftigt und so mit der analogen Fotografie angefangen. Nach ca. zwei Jahren ist das leider aber wieder eingeschlafen. Wenn, dann hol ich noch ausschließlich die M raus. Ehrlich gesagt hab ich sie vor allem dabei um sie dabei zu haben. Es macht einfach Spaß die M in der Hand zu halten, das entschleunigte Fotografieren durch die Messfeld-Fokussierung und überhaupt so eine hochwertige mechanische Technik zu bedienen. Was (mir) aber nicht wirklich viel Spaß macht, ist das Belichtungsmessen über den Leica Meter. Das entschleunigt mir dann doch etwas zu sehr. Auch merke ich immer wieder, dass ich die Bilder gerne gleich sehen möchte und mir die analoge Fotografie dann doch nicht so sehr liegt, wie ich mir das vielleicht wünschen würde. Lange Rede, kurzer Sinn: Ich überlege, die komplette R-Ausrüstung (R4, 4 Objektive und ein Haufen Zubehör) zu verkaufen und das als „Startkapital“ für eine digitale M zu nehmen. Leider ist der Marktwert einer R-Ausrüstung ja nicht mit dem einer M vergleichbar. Daher kommt eine M11 schon mal nicht in Frage (ist auch nicht notwendig, das wäre dann doch mit Spatzen auf Kanonen werfen, oder so). Die Frage, die sich mir stellt ist, ob es eine M10 sein sollte, oder ob eine M240 nicht auch ausreicht. Der Preisunterschied von ca. 1.500€ ist schon heftig. Was mich aber verunsichert ist, dass es sich bei der M240 einfach um 12 Jahre alte Technik handelt. Ich möchte eigentlich nicht - gefühlsmäßig - in meine Nikon-Anfänge zurück fallen. Natürlich ist die M10 auch nicht gerade taufrisch, aber zumindest „nur“ ca. halb so alt. Aber auch echt teuer, für eine nicht aktuelle Kamera. Die Gläser aus den 70er- und 80er-Jahren sollten ja hoffentlich auch noch genug Abbildungsleistung für beide Sensoren bringen. Ich würde mich echt freuen, wenn ihr mir hier weiterhelfen könntet, was in meiner Situation Sinn macht und was nicht! Liebe Grüße und einen schönen zweiten Advent!
  9. Did Leica do à la carte programme for lenses as well? I have seen several M10 cameras with matchy matchy lenses (lettering color etc.), I guess Wetzlar did many things if persuaded (although they do not want to sell me silver parts from Safari for my black parts Reporter)...
  10. Some interesting thoughts on the Leica M10 (29MP sensor, hybrid viewfinder, live view, video recording, MAESTRO processor?) | Leica News & Rumors
  11. Hi Guys, Has anyone tried the newly released Handevision IBERIT series of lenses on your M camera? Just looking for some input on what looks to be a valuable alternative. Thanks. Robert E
  12. Take it with a grain of salt but I saw on LeicaRumors that the M10 will be added to Leica's a la carte program in a few months... http://leicarumors.com/2017/02/13/leica-m10-camera-to-be-added-to-the-a-la-carte-program-in-the-next-few-months.aspx/ It would be interesting if this is how they handle the "MP" version of the M10...i.e. order via a la carte program...
  13. Given the history that exists for the price of Leica Cameras upon launch of a new model what do you think the rumoured M10 will cost retail. After saving for a very long time I am predicting that I will purchase my first Digital Leica M . I am hopeful that the details regarding the rumoured M10 will be somewhat clearer at the critical time where I have to choose which model to buy. If I decide that the M10 is the best option then I may have to save harder and longer hence my interest in opinions regarding the predicted retail price. Bo
  14. There could be wide, standard and telephoto settings. My Contax G2 had a magnifying viewfinder which worked very well. Wide with 21 and 24 and 28mm markings Standard with 35 and 50mm Telephoto with 75, 90 and 135mm
  15. Do you use a half case? Show us the images of your beauties! What are in your opinion the benefits? What is the best half case out there? Curious and eager to see!
  16. Hi i’ve just got my first digital Leica, an M10R. coming from a canon background im used to connecting my camera directly to my mac and having the eos utility automatically download and organize my photos into different folders sorted by date, Obviously thats not the case with the Leica and i have to connect the sd card to my mac in which all the photos are stores in one folder that i have to manually create date stamped folders for on my hard drive. is there any way (in camera or through an app) that i can do something similar to the canon eos utility with the leica sd card and automatically import all the photos on it into date stamped folders?
  17. ... and how might you feel about it if it did? We know a firmware update is coming to support the new EVF, but that got me wondering around the possibility of the new menu system making its way on the to 10, or at least the R. In my view, as I intend to carry both often, I'd love to see a unified interface across the two, but of course, it the Maestro may neither have the power nor the memory to pul this off. And the button layout is overall the same, but labeled differently which might be a little problematic. Thoughts?
  18. Hi guys, so I have been shooting 3 days in a row with my M10-P, and I found this shutter issue once a day for the past 3 days. So basically, I had Live View on, and when I pressed the shutter release, it couldn't go down all the way, like not a full stroke, but only halfway, and of course, the photo wasn't taken. It didn't occur at the start of the camera, nor in hibernation mode or burst shots. Again, it only happened once a day, usually I would suspect it's the shutter that got damaged, but logically, wouldn't this issue be way more often and easy to reproduce if that is the case? Or could it be some systematic or cache bug, where the camera think it's not ready to fire the shutter? Or, just a broken SD card causing trouble? Has anyone experienced same issue? Any thoughts?
  19. M10 w/Summilux 50mm/1.4 ASPH. Images look better when clicked on.
  20. I had someone wanting to buy my 1st generation M10. I got it out of the cabinet when I got home from the office this evening, looked it over, thought about taking some pictures of it, then remembered the pictures I have taken with it, and then it hit me - I can't sell this camera. No way! I have an M11 on order, but my M10 stays. Like a faithful old dog, I can't get rid of it.
  21. Just got my M10 and tried using M10 an adapted Super-Takumar 35mm/2.
  22. Hi guys, so I had my "reporter edition" of M10-P sent in, which had freezing issue, and Leica replaced the old CMOS with a whole new one. So far, no freezing, however, I run into 2 new "issues" if they really are. 1st one: Sometimes when I press the "Play" button to view the photos, a brief "loading" appears on the screen for like less than 1 second. I didn't do that right after pressing the shutter, even when I was in the menu screen, and that happened, but not very often. 2nd one: Sometimes when I press buttons (like Play or Menu), and there is no response, so I had to press them again, and this is not very often either. I don't remember that I ever had those 2 issues before I sent my M10-P in. I wonder if it has something to do with the very low battery? Have you guys encountered same things on your M10 or M10-P? Are they really issues?
  23. Hi everyone, I'll be moving away from my 12 year old Canon body and wanted a camera to use everyday. Given this requirement, I was keen on checking out the M10 with a 35 summicron. I recently tried this setup at a Leica store and really liked the compact RF setup. As an everyday camera, size/weight is definitely really important and this is one area the M system shines. However, I can't quite get over the fact that the skill set of the M is a little limited. A mirrorless camera will allow me to also dabble in the limited landscape/wildlife stuff I do whenever I travel. The SL2 S seems to be a camera which can do most things pretty well though it may not be the best as a camera to use during general day to day stuff. In the future (say in 1-3 years), I see myself having an M and a mirrorless due to their vastly different abilities but right now, I need to think about where to start. I think that a practical approach would be to start with a SL2 S and use an M 35 summicron with it. This would not be too large a setup and the SL system would allow me to use some other lenses for landscape or wildlife as the need arises. I've heard that the BSI sensor on the SL2 S is also really good and it would really excel in many scenarios. In a while (maybe when the M11 launches?), I could potentially get an M body and thereby have the best of both worlds. But as it stands today, I need to decide between the M10 + 35 summicron vs SL2 S + M 35 summicron and would love to hear your thoughts (both options are around 8k-9k USD). Any other suggestions are also welcome. I haven't used the SL2 S but how does it behave as an EDC with small M glass? Even if the size isn't too much more, does the extra weight (930 gms vs 660 gms for the M10) pose challenges? Is the M10 sensor dated now and am I better off waiting for a bit? Please let me know what you think! Cheers!
  24. Dear all, I bought the "reporter edition" of M10-P about 5 months ago. And it constantly has freezing issue. For the past few weeks, it's just been way too often, like 1 out 2 days it would freeze. I always turn the EV on when I'm shooting, and before it's about to freeze, the EV looks like it's having dropped frames, pretty lagging and then it would freeze, so I have to take the battery out and restart the camera. And many times it just freezes after I turn the camera on, I don't even get to press the shutter. Yesterday, I went out shooting and it froze again, but this time, after I restarted the camera like I always did, I found that the screen got a dark horizontal line on the very top of it (please view the photo I uploaded). I checked the photos, it's usually without the line on them, unless the ISO is 4000 or higher, then I got part of the line (or banding?) on the left side. Is this normal? Should I send the camera in for a replacement of the CMOS or something?
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