Peter Wright Posted May 17, 2022 Share #21 Posted May 17, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) I’m not sure why everyone’s getting in a froth over this. We had already surmised as much. Companies routinely discontinue product lines when it fits the strategy. The statement is somewhat poorly worded and ambiguous. I took it to mean that a customer buying a new CL in the future would have a guaranteed 6 years of repair-ability. So someone getting a new CL in 2025 (assuming they can find such a thing, as production probably stopped some time back) will have support until 2031. In my case my CL is about 3 years old, and the statement does not say what I can expect. It would be a mistake to assume that the company plans to refuse service after 2025. That is not what they are saying. I rather think Leica does not know the answer itself, but depending on demand, I could reasonably expect service for quite a few years to come. But who knows? My next camera will probably be a Q3, or just possibly an SL3 if the SL can shed most of its weight and bulk. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pgk Posted May 17, 2022 Share #22 Posted May 17, 2022 1 hour ago, nicci78 said: the real problem is about the first T lenses from 2014 !! they are already out of the 6 years range. Just a thought, but as T/TL/CLlenses fit L-mount cameras they should still be supported until that is that curret full frame cameras no longer offer a crop mode with them. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted May 17, 2022 Share #23 Posted May 17, 2022 But they are talking about the CL/TL2 system. Not body only. I guess that they phased out production of everything including lenses. There are only so much parts left for the foreseeable future. It is a nightmare, TL lenses should have been able to hold value, but with only 6 years at most of repairability, they are doomed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted May 17, 2022 Share #24 Posted May 17, 2022 And there are just Canon rumors that there will be a new EOS R lineup with APS-C soon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander-HH Posted May 17, 2022 Share #25 Posted May 17, 2022 (edited) vor 32 Minuten schrieb Peter Wright: I’m not sure why everyone’s getting in a froth over this. We had already surmised as much. Companies routinely discontinue product lines when it fits the strategy. The statement is somewhat poorly worded and ambiguous. I took it to mean that a customer buying a new CL in the future would have a guaranteed 6 years of repair-ability. So someone getting a new CL in 2025 (assuming they can find such a thing, as production probably stopped some time back) will have support until 2031. This sounds reasonable to me and is what I would read from the statement as well ... (hoping this is the case for all CL owners) Edited May 17, 2022 by Alexander-HH 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted May 17, 2022 Share #26 Posted May 17, 2022 (edited) please don't be more catholic than the Pope. Cowards do not deserve your help. They still did not found courage to announced it directly to their customers and distributors the fate of CL/TL2 system I really hate those kind of internal memo. "Should you be approached" Really ? otherwise please say nothing. Shame on you Leica, for trying to hide the APS-C death. They don't want to discount the last remaining CL and TL2, so they keep quiet and hope to con one or two last customers. Edited May 17, 2022 by nicci78 5 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ba Erv Posted May 17, 2022 Share #27 Posted May 17, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) Apparently, Fuji doesn't agree with Leica on the death of APSC. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotium Posted May 17, 2022 Share #28 Posted May 17, 2022 1 hour ago, M11 for me said: You certainly have an eye on the next Leica product 😍 which one? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotium Posted May 17, 2022 Share #29 Posted May 17, 2022 25 minutes ago, Ba Erv said: Apparently, Fuji doesn't agree with Leica on the death of APSC. Nor do Sony, Canon or Ricoh/Pentax 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyfaf Posted May 17, 2022 Share #30 Posted May 17, 2022 I’ve started buying/using M lenses on my CL. As much as I like the L mount lenses, I think I may now be investing more in M lenses going forward. A real shame as the CL is a great system that I’ve thoroughly enjoyed using over the past year. At least there will be a bit of life in it yet 😉 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted May 17, 2022 Share #31 Posted May 17, 2022 Nor Nikon m4/3 still dare existing today ! Olympus and Panasonic are too stubborn. Canon is completely crazy to launch RF-S next week (APS-C version of RF) with professional R7 and amateur R10. Leica is now the stupid one giving up the most sold sensor format by far. 4 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander-HH Posted May 17, 2022 Share #32 Posted May 17, 2022 (edited) vor einer Stunde schrieb nicci78: please don't be more catholic than the Pope. Cowards do not deserve your help. oh well, I was just trying to share another option on what the 6 year period in the memo could possibly mean 🤷♂️ Edited May 17, 2022 by Alexander-HH 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elambo Posted May 17, 2022 Share #33 Posted May 17, 2022 Anyone surprised by the existence of such an internal memo hasn't spent much time in the business world of today. This isn't just common practice, it's good business. Leica employees and reps need to be prepped for the onslaught of questions, which, evidently, already have strong emotions at their core. This is essential employee training -- not written for consumer consumption. Also, as this isn't an announcement, why would we assume that they'll not inform (i.e. announce) this discontinuation to their customers? They may, or, perhaps, they won't. I own hundreds of electronics and can't remember the last time any of them sent a letter informing me of their discontinuation. If the expiration of their serviceability was approaching, sure, I'd appreciate that note, but this memo isn't that. When service comes to a close, let's hope that they'll treat it with respect. I doubt I'll still have the CL at that point, but who knows. But consider Leica's situation. iPhones and higher-quality, entry-level cameras have pushed APS-C out of the market as many former customers either accept their iPhone's quality or move up to full frame. The middle ground has diminished, as often happens in life. It's a numbers game, and, apparently, this sector wasn't profitable for Leica, so they've stopped making them. It's not a good feeling, but one we must certainly by now have learned to expect. Personally, it's not pleasing to know that a camera I own, and use, is on its way out, but such is the way of technology. I'm accustomed to this. 11 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elambo Posted May 17, 2022 Share #34 Posted May 17, 2022 53 minutes ago, nicci78 said: Leica is now the stupid one giving up the most sold sensor format by far. Where are you getting that data? According to their memo, it's the sector in decline, with full-frame rising up the ladder. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chef Posted May 17, 2022 Share #35 Posted May 17, 2022 If you read the memo between the lines this is further proof that Leica's marketing and customer relations is poorly thought out and poorly managed. But we knew that 6 months ago. As I've said elsewhere the demise of the CL and how Leica has handled it, is a casebook study of how not to do it. But they will pay in the end when they lose the loyalty of long standing customers like Jaap. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 17, 2022 Share #36 Posted May 17, 2022 27 minutes ago, elambo said: Anyone surprised by the existence of such an internal memo hasn't spent much time in the business world of today. This isn't just common practice, it's good business. Leica employees and reps need to be prepped for the onslaught of questions, which, evidently, already have strong emotions at their core. This is essential employee training -- not written for consumer consumption. Also, as this isn't an announcement, why would we assume that they'll not inform (i.e. announce) this discontinuation to their customers? They may, or, perhaps, they won't. I own hundreds of electronics and can't remember the last time any of them sent a letter informing me of their discontinuation. If the expiration of their serviceability was approaching, sure, I'd appreciate that note, but this memo isn't that. When service comes to a close, let's hope that they'll treat it with respect. I doubt I'll still have the CL at that point, but who knows. But consider Leica's situation. iPhones and higher-quality, entry-level cameras have pushed APS-C out of the market as many former customers either accept their iPhone's quality or move up to full frame. The middle ground has diminished, as often happens in life. It's a numbers game, and, apparently, this sector wasn't profitable for Leica, so they've stopped making them. It's not a good feeling, but one we must certainly by now have learned to expect. Personally, it's not pleasing to know that a camera I own, and use, is on its way out, but such is the way of technology. I'm accustomed to this. Yes, I can understand that (as I said) and accept it - but my gripe is with the shabby treatment of their customers regarding service - and the suggestion to present an unwarranted reduction as a positive message. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted May 17, 2022 Share #37 Posted May 17, 2022 Sorry to repeat my mantra but there is no market for expensive crop gear. Crop yes. Expensive yes. But crop + expensive no. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted May 17, 2022 Share #38 Posted May 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, lct said: Sorry to repeat my mantra but there is no market for expensive crop gear. Crop yes. Expensive yes. But crop + expensive no. So, 24 by 36 mm is a rather severe crop of - say - 9 x 12 cm, so there's no market for expensive FF gear? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted May 17, 2022 Share #39 Posted May 17, 2022 4 minutes ago, pop said: So, 24 by 36 mm is a rather severe crop of - say - 9 x 12 cm, so there's no market for expensive FF gear? You're playing with words. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chef Posted May 17, 2022 Share #40 Posted May 17, 2022 7 minutes ago, lct said: You're playing with words. You're being imprecise. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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