EVF M rumoured

[Homo Faber]

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vor 9 Minuten schrieb lct:

The M would teach one to shoot with their brain while the MEV would be for vulgar wysiwyg users.

Source: https://youtu.be/pAq-owv-ScY
 

 

Well, that is not even an urban myth, in fact it is just an ordinary Leica marketing myth. Gazillions of pictures taken by photographers using EVF/autofocus cameras prove that.

Oh and btw, only those people are vulgar who believe that by using certain technical devices they can not only set themselves apart from other people, but even elevate themselves above them.

[Tseg]

2 hours ago, kiwidad said:

If you already have an M you get the best of both worlds with this thing called a visoflex lol

Leica M is about not changing and it’s got many years to show for it!

And all 3 worlds with an M11-D + Visoflex 2.

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Just now, Homo Faber said:

What things do think, can a M do better then  a MEV

I know from experience: Focusing accurately with some focal lengths. Seeing what's outside of the field of view of the lens. Ability to focus with very little light. No latency in the viewfinder. Apparent depth of field of virtual finder image. There are probably more when I think longer about it.

Add autofocus to the question, then the optomechanical rangefinder has the advantage that you never have to think about how and why the autofocus will focus on another part of the scene than you need.

Of course, there are settings where working with an EVF or with an autofocus system will be faster or more reliable. That's why I use both. Would be nice, though, to be able to use similar cameras with the same sensor stack, the same lenses and the same handling (not to speak of the same batteries).

[BernardC]

It's strange that this arguing is going on 10 years after the SL was released (the first camera with a decent EVF). Everyone here has had a chance in the past decade to pop into a shop and try-out an SL, or SL2, or SL3, etc. Other brands are available in 2025. They've also had 13 years to try-out a Visoflex on an M-240, or later digital M.

The critical differences between an "EVF M" and any other full-frame mirrorless camera are a) the shape, and b) the fact that you can't use any AF lenses. If you love a) and don't mind b), you'll love the new camera. Otherwise you probably won't spend the premium.

I feel like this camera will have a career similar to the Monochrom or M10-D/M11-D. It will be a hit with a small clique (small relative to the already small M market), and be hard to get for the first 6 months. Fast-forward 5 years and Leica will release an M12 version. I guess if it sells surprisingly well, like the Q, Leica might release the M12 version sooner.

[lct]

54 minutes ago, Homo Faber said:

Well, that is not even an urban myth, in fact it is just an ordinary Leica marketing myth. Gazillions of pictures taken by photographers using EVF/autofocus cameras prove that.

Oh and btw, only those people are vulgar who believe that by using certain technical devices they can not only set themselves apart from other people, but even elevate themselves above them.

Not my words but nicely said. This reminds me of a Leica training course i attended some 40 years ago. The photographer was a disciple of Cartier-Bresson, and the entire audience consisted of photographers or wanabes equipped with M2 or M3 cameras, all worn silver bodies as far as i recall. Except for one guy who was sporting a brand new M4-2 equipped with a Leicameter: me. Ouch! The disciple made it clear that only amateurs (he did not say vulgar) need a light meter with an M camera. RealLeicaMan in all his glory. If I had to relive that experience, i'm not sure i'd dare bring my M11 with Visoflex2😱

[DadDadDaddyo]

1 hour ago, Homo Faber said:

Oh and btw, only those people are vulgar who believe that by using certain technical devices they can not only set themselves apart from other people, but even elevate themselves above them.

No argument. But with certainty, I feel that trying to pin that tendency on rangefinder users in general is as tired a trope as the very tendency you describe, and certainly, that tendency is not confined to rangefinder users alone, now is it?

This: ->   I find few things on this forum as annoying as attempts to classify other people's motivations for using the equipment they choose to use, or to characterize those people in a reductionist way because they choose to use it. 

[algrove]

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Keep it up-only 20 pages to go before zero hour. BTW, when is zero hour??

[GFW2-SCUSA]

I think I have said this earlier, but my wish would be to leave the M alone and spend time and money developing a Visoflex that was small, strong, sharp, bright and good looking. That, for me would be wiser than spending vast sums of trying to turn the M into some bastardized version that won't satisfy anyone. Alas, I am not going to get what I want, I'm sure. Anymore than I'll get the reissue of the beloved CL which checked so many boxes. 

[Jon Warwick]

31 minutes ago, BernardC said:

It's strange that this arguing is going on 10 years after the SL was released (the first camera with a decent EVF). Everyone here has had a chance in the past decade to pop into a shop and try-out an SL, or SL2, or SL3, etc. Other brands are available in 2025. They've also had 13 years to try-out a Visoflex on an M-240, or later digital M.

The critical differences between an "EVF M" and any other full-frame mirrorless camera are a) the shape, and b) the fact that you can't use any AF lenses. If you love a) and don't mind b), you'll love the new camera. Otherwise you probably won't spend the premium.

I feel like this camera will have a career similar to the Monochrom or M10-D/M11-D.

Well put imho. It’s for these types of reason that I know that I’d likely prefer this EVF M camera than many other options

- I know for sure I like the small and manual M lenses (a major reason);

- I like EVFs (I’m using the Visoflex 2 for a large part of my photos on M11(M) ….more accurate composition, and use of the histogram, albeit notably to be precise with the highlights on the Monochrom);

- M lenses on the SL doesn’t give me the same form factor that I enjoy of an M body.

[dem331]

That’s nothing, there is a thread with 4721 pages we still have to beat! 

[lct]

2 hours ago, carlosgavina said:

When are we supposed to know more about this? Today/tomorrow?

Seems like pre-orders are begining to be taken in EU so on 23 Oct GMT we should know.

[algrove]

2 minutes ago, lct said:

Seems like pre-orders are begining to be taken in EU so on 23 Oct GMT we should know.

What time GMT?

[Yugen]

 If this is true  https://leicarumors.com/2025/10/22/leica-m-ev1-camera-announcement-confirmed-for-tomorrow.aspx/#more-105688 launch is 4 PM BST, 11 AM EDT Tomorrow

[student]

42 minutes ago, algrove said:

Keep it up-only 20 pages to go before zero hour. BTW, when is zero hour??

Well if it is the 23rd, and provided there is an event in Tokyo (23rd there already, though very early morning, around 04:30), then we are just a few hours away from a look at the real thing

[algrove]

Doha seems 3 hours ahead of GMT which is 5 hours ahead of EST assuming the first to announce will be Dubai and not Tokyo. Much is unclear as to exact timing.

I want to read Jono's analysis tomorrow.

Edited 18 hours ago by algrove

[IkarusJohn]

This thread is rather extraordinary, in many ways.

When I realised there was focus shift with the newly released 35 Summilux ASPH (the lens before the FLE version), and with the f/1 Noctilux annd other lenses about 15 years ago (?), it seemed to me that the combination of purely mechanical lenses, a mechanical coupling, optical rangefinder and digital sensor had too many variables. What we got away with in the world of film, without pixel peeping, just wouldn’t do in the digital world.

I tried M lenses on Sonys and the like, and it just wasn’t satisfactory.

We had lengthy discussions on this forum about an EVF based M camera, with the idea being pooh poohed by Leica “experts” and “Ambassadors” (remember them?).  Those discussions were tiresome in the extreme for their lack of mental agility, if nothing else.

Then the reality of an EVF hit home with the Visoflex on the M(240), live view with the T, the CL and then the SL.  You could use M lenses very well with an EVF. Some uses better than the OVF, others worse.  None consistent with an M camera without add-ons; an M with a built in EVF.  Looking back to the times since the M3 was released, we’ve had goggles (for wider than 50mm lenses), optical hotshoe viewfinders, hotshoe meters and the original Visoflex, with its own lenses (to replicate the SLR camera which almost wiped out the coupled rangefinder).  The M camera has survived (just), mostly because of 70 years of fantastic lenses.

Anyone who doesn’t understand that the M system is hopelessly flawed needs to understand this history.  The most capable and frankly the best Leica camera with the best lenses is unquestionably the SL system.

But, the M endures.

So, an EVF version.  I hope I’m right (and only Leica knows at this point); this new camera will be nothing more than an M camera with the EVF built in.  Obviously there will be consequential changes, but if it departs from that formula, it will sink like a stone.

Make it like a Q camera?  Why, when the Q was designed to look like an M?

Use the L mount, because it is a better mount?  Unquestionably, but to what end?  That would only be relevant if the camera was to be used with other lenses.  Which?  L mount?  So, we’re talking AF and a fully electronic connection between the camera and lens?  Either way, it’s a long way from the M system to just ask for a smaller SL camera.

15 years on from supporting the idea of an EVF based M, I will watch the release with interest (even if it is “just” a 35 Noctilux), but I won’t be buying.  Not because I can see around the frame lines, EVF latency, because the OVF is faster or any of the other good reasons expressed here.  It’s really because I have a film M, a Monochrom and an M10-D (with Visoflex), so I don’t need another M camera; but also because I’ve never liked where the M11 has gone and my faith in Leica’s ability to properly develop a digital camera has been severely dented since my M9 got sensor corrosion.

Now, if Leica was to develop an MP with a digital sensor, I’d take notice, but that’s another pipe dream …

Edited 18 hours ago by IkarusJohn

[algrove]

John

Well summarized, but my conclusion might differ from yours.

Edited 18 hours ago by algrove

[pedaes]

24 minutes ago, algrove said:

What time GMT?

Past announcements have been around 1000 GMT/1100BST (1200 CET in Wetzlar)

[rmueller]

My dealer here in Heidelberg (Germany) invited me for a Leica Store event tomorrow at 3pm CEST for "something" new. Having said that, I am not going, EVF is not for me, sold my X1DII for that reason. In the last two weeks I got very nice deals on the M11-P Safari and the M11 Monochrom which I couldn't resist. I am good for the next 10+ years.

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[FrozenInTime]

Is a an optical rangefinder on EVF hybrid as simple as this :

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What makes it possible is scaling the image displayed on the EVF to be the same size as that of the contained within the frame lines of the classic viewfinder i.e. 135mm is very small and 28mm is full panel.

M3 RF diagram credit to: https://www.panomicron.com/learning/2019/8/23/rangefinder-design-framelines