Drmat Posted February 15, 2023 Share #2081 Posted February 15, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) Technical question for the group. I have used the F1 and 0.95. I loved them both, but found they were very big to carry around (so settled on my 50APO). I am intrigued by the 1.2. However, I have heard a lot of people say it is too soft and even softer than the F1. When I look at the MTF of the 1.2 and 1, the 1.2 seems to outperform, and yet that is not coming through in the experiences of people posting on the forum that say the opposite. Does anyone have any insight into this? Are the two lenses appreciably different in sharpness in the focal plane wide open? I loved the F1, but the 1.2 seems like a more useable lens (smaller, no appreciable focus shift, 16 blades). Any help would be.... well... helpful. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Keith (M) Posted February 15, 2023 Share #2082 Posted February 15, 2023 6 hours ago, Drmat said: Any help would be.... well... helpful. I used the f1 v4 with M10M, M240 & M7 but in the end I found weight and size compromised my enjoyment of the lens. After quite a period of cogitation I took the plunge and part-ex'd it against a new f1.2 and have absolutely no regrets. Using it on the M10M, M240 (and latterly M11) I have found the handling to be such that I have used it as a walk-about lens for a broad range of subjects, unlike the f1 where I tended to limit use to specific subjects. Sharpness? Resolution? Am not a pixel-peeper but the results speak for themselves (for me anyway!). If it is of any use, numerous examples are here in an album on my Flickr page. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Bunting Posted February 15, 2023 Share #2083 Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) The 50 APO and f1.2 are a great combination. Those are the 50's I have at the moment (although I'm seriously contemplating adding the 0.95 if I can find a nice one secondhand at a good price). I love my f1.2, but there are several reasons why I wouldn't want it to be my only 50. First, it is soft wide open. Second, there is a lot of vignetting. This will be especially apparent if you're shooting a bright scene. The photo below, which I shot wide open, is a good example of both. Click through for hi-res and zoom in a bit. Vignetting speaks for itself. Re sharpness, look at the third tier from the top of the pyramid. This is where I was focusing. Move from the center of the frame towards the sides. See how quickly the sharpness drops off. In the middle of the frame, the image is pretty sharp really. That quickly becomes not the case. This will by necessity change the way you compose, or you'll learn to be ok with a soft subject when not centered in the frame. Of course if you're only viewing your images in lower resolution or on a smaller screen the softness will not be as apparent. I love mine, but the lens has such a pronounced character that it would be a bit boring to shoot with all the time. That character does impact the lens I grab when I'm only bringing my camera and a single lens out for the day/night. Unless I plan to stop down (which I'm not opposed to doing but I shoot in low light a lot), do I want all my shots from that day to look like an acid trip? If I'm just going for a walk and hoping to catch some candids then sure, but if I'm actually doing something interesting--ehhh then I think twice. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited February 15, 2023 by Jeremy Bunting 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/297666-show-us-your-noctilux-wide-open-shots/?do=findComment&comment=4687162'>More sharing options...
Popular Post Drmat Posted February 15, 2023 Popular Post Share #2084 Posted February 15, 2023 Thanks @Keith (M)and @Jeremy Bunting. Indeed, there will be compromises. I guess i just need to figure out which compromises I want to make. There is nothing like the 75 noctilux. My best photography was with that lens, but then my wife pointed out that it is not fair to say so because it does not account for all the photos i missed because it was heavy, slow to focus, and often resulted in a static subject. On the other hand, you can't complain about these results: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 20 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/297666-show-us-your-noctilux-wide-open-shots/?do=findComment&comment=4687192'>More sharing options...
Drmat Posted February 15, 2023 Share #2085 Posted February 15, 2023 or this with the 0.95 of the M10M Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 18 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/297666-show-us-your-noctilux-wide-open-shots/?do=findComment&comment=4687197'>More sharing options...
kretsche Posted February 15, 2023 Share #2086 Posted February 15, 2023 Noctilux 1.2 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/297666-show-us-your-noctilux-wide-open-shots/?do=findComment&comment=4687329'>More sharing options...
a5m Posted February 16, 2023 Share #2087 Posted February 16, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 4 hours ago, kretsche said: Noctilux 1.2 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Not wide open right? If so that's impressive. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted February 16, 2023 Share #2088 Posted February 16, 2023 The 50 1.2 is part of the vintage lens set. wide open there is a little circle in the middle of the frame a little in focus and rapidly going out of focus on the sides. It get quite good when you are at 2.8, but it is not why you buy this lens for. Alternative size would Voigtlander 50 1.0, almost the same size. the response is more like the 0.95. But I did have issue focusing at minimal distance, I don't think the rangefinder was not matching up at 1m. The Noctilux 0.95 at 1m works fine Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kretsche Posted February 16, 2023 Share #2089 Posted February 16, 2023 vor 13 Stunden schrieb a5m: Not wide open right? If so that's impressive. Is at open aperture 1.2, on the M11, JPEG, sharpness +2 😉 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/297666-show-us-your-noctilux-wide-open-shots/?do=findComment&comment=4688423'>More sharing options...
kretsche Posted February 16, 2023 Share #2090 Posted February 16, 2023 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/297666-show-us-your-noctilux-wide-open-shots/?do=findComment&comment=4688424'>More sharing options...
kretsche Posted February 16, 2023 Share #2091 Posted February 16, 2023 Das Noctilux 1.2 ist das Beste Objektiv für mich in Bezug auf Blende, Größe, Gewicht, Schärfe und Preis… 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kretsche Posted February 16, 2023 Share #2092 Posted February 16, 2023 vor 1 Stunde schrieb kretsche: Das Noctilux 1.2 ist das Beste Objektiv für mich in Bezug auf Blende, Größe, Gewicht, Schärfe und Preis… Sorry: The Noctilux 1.2 is the best lens for me in terms of aperture, size, weight, sharpness and price... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickness Posted February 17, 2023 Share #2093 Posted February 17, 2023 75 Nocti, SL2 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 17 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/297666-show-us-your-noctilux-wide-open-shots/?do=findComment&comment=4689530'>More sharing options...
Cronilux Posted February 18, 2023 Share #2094 Posted February 18, 2023 Am 15.2.2023 um 12:42 schrieb Drmat: Technical question for the group. I have used the F1 and 0.95. I loved them both, but found they were very big to carry around (so settled on my 50APO). I am intrigued by the 1.2. However, I have heard a lot of people say it is too soft and even softer than the F1. When I look at the MTF of the 1.2 and 1, the 1.2 seems to outperform, and yet that is not coming through in the experiences of people posting on the forum that say the opposite. Does anyone have any insight into this? Are the two lenses appreciably different in sharpness in the focal plane wide open? I loved the F1, but the 1.2 seems like a more useable lens (smaller, no appreciable focus shift, 16 blades). Any help would be.... well... helpful. I’ve rented both right now, since I sold my f1 last year and regretted it. The f1.2 copy I have here is definitely sharper than the f1, has also better colors and less CA. They are pretty much the same in terms of flares. I still can’t decide which one to buy, since my love for the f1 is huge. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropo54 Posted February 19, 2023 Share #2095 Posted February 19, 2023 Noctilux 0.95 w Hasselblad X1D II Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/297666-show-us-your-noctilux-wide-open-shots/?do=findComment&comment=4691487'>More sharing options...
leicaoptik Posted February 19, 2023 Share #2096 Posted February 19, 2023 Am 1.6.2019 um 00:24 schrieb Peter Kilmister: @Chaemono Please don't take my comments as a personal criticism. Charlie Waite is one of the best landscape photographers and uses lenses with closed aperture rather than wide open. The human eye operates in a similar way. When light is good enough one's eye pupils close to expand the depth of field and allow us to see much more in focus. The Noctilux has such a tiny depth of field when used wide open that it contradicts that natural reaction. I tried using a Noctilux for landscape work and sold it. It was a waste of time. Also carrying 700 grams plus the weight of the camera and trudging around fields was tiresome. It was my least favourite lens. My favourite is the 50mm APO Summicron. My wife agrees so it must be true! 😉 I can see the point of using a heavyweight lens with narrow DOF in a studio for portraiture. There is probably no better tool when mounted on a tripod. Everyone is welcome to their opinion and to try out things for themselves. I just expressed my personal opinion. You could probably have taken that shot with any lens for it to be more natural. Please don't let me stop your creativity. Slightly off topic, I was told by a Leica fan about an amazing pair of Nocti binoculars. I asked what was the point. He said enthusiastically that I could see birds clearer in the dark. I replied that birds roost as soon as the sun goes down. Maybe he lives where there are street lights? We don't have those unsustainable things in this beautiful area. Each to their own. Sophisticated argumentation, Mr. Kilmister. I think, there is also the other side of the medal: By using lenses like the Noctiluxes the photographer has the possibility to expand the seeing in a non physiological way, which gives him the opportunity to give pictures a somekind "metaphysic experience" The optical characteristics of these lenses, intentional computed for "seeing in the dark" is abused to evocate a certain mood in the picture. The use of those lenses even in lansdcape photography can give the viewer an abstract impression- like a painted picture of an impressionistic motivated artist:) I understand the love for the Noctilux lenses- giving us a multifaceted picture of the world around us... Regards, Philip 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith (M) Posted February 20, 2023 Share #2097 Posted February 20, 2023 (edited) Please click for higher-res version. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 50mm Noctilux f1.2 Re-Issue, M11 Edited February 20, 2023 by Keith (M) 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 50mm Noctilux f1.2 Re-Issue, M11 ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/297666-show-us-your-noctilux-wide-open-shots/?do=findComment&comment=4693188'>More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 20, 2023 Share #2098 Posted February 20, 2023 Who said, you can’t shoot landscapes @ f/1.2 😉 50mm f/1.2 Noctilux Re-issue Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/297666-show-us-your-noctilux-wide-open-shots/?do=findComment&comment=4693577'>More sharing options...
Milan_S Posted February 21, 2023 Share #2099 Posted February 21, 2023 E M P R E S S 👑📸 Leica M246 Noctilux-M 50mm F0.95 #milanswolfs 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakontil Posted February 21, 2023 Share #2100 Posted February 21, 2023 On 2/16/2023 at 1:51 AM, Jeremy Bunting said: The 50 APO and f1.2 are a great combination. Those are the 50's I have at the moment (although I'm seriously contemplating adding the 0.95 if I can find a nice one secondhand at a good price). I love my f1.2, but there are several reasons why I wouldn't want it to be my only 50. First, it is soft wide open. Second, there is a lot of vignetting. This will be especially apparent if you're shooting a bright scene. The photo below, which I shot wide open, is a good example of both. Click through for hi-res and zoom in a bit. Vignetting speaks for itself. Re sharpness, look at the third tier from the top of the pyramid. This is where I was focusing. Move from the center of the frame towards the sides. See how quickly the sharpness drops off. In the middle of the frame, the image is pretty sharp really. That quickly becomes not the case. This will by necessity change the way you compose, or you'll learn to be ok with a soft subject when not centered in the frame. Of course if you're only viewing your images in lower resolution or on a smaller screen the softness will not be as apparent. I love mine, but the lens has such a pronounced character that it would be a bit boring to shoot with all the time. That character does impact the lens I grab when I'm only bringing my camera and a single lens out for the day/night. Unless I plan to stop down (which I'm not opposed to doing but I shoot in low light a lot), do I want all my shots from that day to look like an acid trip? If I'm just going for a walk and hoping to catch some candids then sure, but if I'm actually doing something interesting--ehhh then I think twice. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! And sometimes the distortion can be frustrating when shooting on films.. that’s my take, other than that was a wonderful noctilux lens for travel lights Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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