Keith (M) Posted January 13, 2023 Share #2021 Posted January 13, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) Almost there... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 50mm f1.2, M11. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 50mm f1.2, M11. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/297666-show-us-your-noctilux-wide-open-shots/?do=findComment&comment=4641016'>More sharing options...
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ChrisGA Posted January 15, 2023 Share #2022 Posted January 15, 2023 SL2S + V4 from 2004. picture from Athens, Jan 2022 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/297666-show-us-your-noctilux-wide-open-shots/?do=findComment&comment=4643977'>More sharing options...
ChrisGA Posted January 15, 2023 Share #2023 Posted January 15, 2023 SL2S + V4 from 2004. picture from Athens, Jan 2022 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/297666-show-us-your-noctilux-wide-open-shots/?do=findComment&comment=4643984'>More sharing options...
ChrisGA Posted January 15, 2023 Share #2024 Posted January 15, 2023 SL2S + V4 from 2004. picture from Athens, Jan 2022 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/297666-show-us-your-noctilux-wide-open-shots/?do=findComment&comment=4643985'>More sharing options...
ChrisGA Posted January 15, 2023 Share #2025 Posted January 15, 2023 SL2S + V4 from 2004. picture from Athens, Jan 2022 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/297666-show-us-your-noctilux-wide-open-shots/?do=findComment&comment=4643986'>More sharing options...
Jeremy Bunting Posted January 15, 2023 Share #2026 Posted January 15, 2023 (edited) Noctilux 75 performs admirably well pointed directly at a massive light source, even wide open. These were taken with an M11 and the Visoflex II. EVF is helpful when the light conditions keep changing. Click through for hi-res. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited January 15, 2023 by Jeremy Bunting 12 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/297666-show-us-your-noctilux-wide-open-shots/?do=findComment&comment=4644264'>More sharing options...
fil-m Posted January 15, 2023 Share #2027 Posted January 15, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 3 minutes ago, Jeremy Bunting said: Noctilux 75 performs admirably well pointed directly at a massive light source, even wide open. These were taken with an M11 and the Visoflex II. EVF is helpful when the light conditions keep changing. Click through for hi-res. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Indeed, much less purple fringe and CA compared to the .95 which (unfortunately and surprisingly) fails miserably there, especially considering its price! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Bunting Posted January 17, 2023 Share #2028 Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) At the same time, the rendering of the Noctilux 75 is quite a bit sharper and more controlled than most would probably expect from a lens with "Noctilux" stamped on the front, even wide open. The bokeh and focus dropoff remind me of the APO 50. Still a remarkable lens, but if I were shooting a psychedelic album cover, I'd reach for my 50 f1.2. I was between the 50 f0.95 and the 75 f1.25 and ultimately went for the 75 because a) it's the "latest thing" and b) I already have two 50mm lenses, the APO 50 and the 50 f1.2. I don't regret it. It's a remarkable lens, but perhaps not quite what I was expecting. As always, click through for hi-res. The thumbnails here absolutely do not do this lens justice. M11. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited January 17, 2023 by Jeremy Bunting 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/297666-show-us-your-noctilux-wide-open-shots/?do=findComment&comment=4646348'>More sharing options...
Kiwimac Posted January 17, 2023 Share #2029 Posted January 17, 2023 Does it come with free gym membership so you can get strong enough to carry it all day? 😄 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf2000 Posted January 17, 2023 Share #2030 Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jeremy Bunting said: At the same time, the rendering of the Noctilux 75 is quite a bit sharper and more controlled than most would probably expect from a lens with "Noctilux" stamped on the front, even wide open. The bokeh and focus dropoff remind me of the APO 50. Still a remarkable lens, but if I were shooting a psychedelic album cover, I'd reach for my 50 f1.2. I was between the 50 f0.95 and the 75 f1.25 and ultimately went for the 75 because a) it's the "latest thing" and b) I already have two 50mm lenses, the APO 50 and the 50 f1.2. I don't regret it. It's a remarkable lens, but perhaps not quite what I was expecting. As always, click through for hi-res. The thumbnails here absolutely do not do this lens justice. M11. I agree with you regarding the rendering being a bit more controlled in general in terms of focus drop-off. It does however draw very differently than the APO when it comes to bokeh/light sources being directed at it (it doesn't handle them nearly as cleanly/significantly more flare etc), but that's the 'look'...It has a unique dreamy quality to it that isn't quite the same as the 50 noctilux either. A cool mix I think, its own entity! 43 minutes ago, Kiwimac said: Does it come with free gym membership so you can get strong enough to carry it all day? 😄 Much like a gym membership, if you attend enough times, you will in fact get strong enough to carry it all day, and your heart will thank you. Photo below is the 1280 version (heavily downsized from full size), from yesterday (75/1.25 ISO64, M11) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited January 17, 2023 by Wolf2000 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/297666-show-us-your-noctilux-wide-open-shots/?do=findComment&comment=4646384'>More sharing options...
fil-m Posted January 17, 2023 Share #2031 Posted January 17, 2023 In relation to the above comments. I believe Karbe's design objectives of great sharpness, "rich" micro contrast and controlled transition to OOF reflected differently on Leica's recent lines of lenses. I am pretty much impressed with his APO Summicrons, the 35 representing in my view, state of the art engineering considering the impressive quality and unique character of the lens in such a small body. Almost the same with the 50 and its low distortion, compact frame. With the Summilux he went a little less agressive, they are still sharp, relatively compact, with their own character both the 35 and 50. I am much less familiar with the 21 and 28. However his "unconstrained" design objectives brought a lot of noticeable consequences for the Noctilux line, and those must be accepted (this is my personal view). The most visible ones that apply to both the 75mm and 50mm are the size, weight (and price!). This might be ok for a pro photographer whose job is to adapt and carry his or her equipment, but more constraining for a street or candid photographer looking for an all-day-carry lens, which is less conspicuous. The 50 in particular brings too much CA and purple fringe sometimes at the limits of the "acceptable" given the price tag. I realise it is still 2008 tech but by pushing too much on the aperture (.95 vs 1.0) and sharpness, we got massive amounts of CA, made more visible with the higher resolution of the M10R or M11. The 75 is impressive with lots of "new generation" unique character, almost invisible CA, but at the expense of even bigger size and weight (1kg). The 50 looks almost tiny in comparison. So in my view the Noctilux are even more specialised lenses today than they ever were. Personally even if I loved the 50/.95, its amazing colours (minus the CA) and its unique Summilux like B/W rendering, I gave up on it and exchanged it for an APO50 plus Noctilux 50/1. Surprisingly the 50/1 gives much less CA (maybe because it is less sharp and slower; so less design constraints), is relatively smaller and still manageable for special occasions making it a better choice for me, despite the "dramatic" 11% loss of extra light gathering capabilities and the loss of sharpness. The 75 remains an impressive feat, I had the occasion to use it for some shots. Great results, unique for portraits, but no way that I use it for candids or on the street, even if I realise its potential for creativity in this context - just too big and heavy for me, not practical even if I can manage. I don't want to fell "forced" carrying a lens. The interesting part is that Leica's approach of remaking old lenses, give us choice, the tiny Summaron 28 and Summilux 35, the relatively compact Noctilux 50/1.2 - old gen design objectives with different results than new the generation line. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwimac Posted January 17, 2023 Share #2032 Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) I'm teetering on the brink of getting the f1.2 remake. I need a 'sensible' lens as well though I think. Thorsten Overgaard observed that making the 50 f1.2 again but not taking the opportunity to modernise and improve it a bit was "missing the point" if I remember correctly (and apologies to Thorsten if I don't!) and I rather agree with him. A Summilux would be a cost effective (in Leica terms at least) partner but I suspect that the rendering is a bit too close to the f1.2 reissue to make it a good partner artistically. Artistically a better partnership would be the Apo and the f1.2. Of course that is NZ$13,900 for the Apo plus NZ$12,300 for the f1.2 (instead of NZ$6,900 for the Lux). A Noctilux 0.95 is NZ$20,500. Edited January 17, 2023 by Kiwimac Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted January 17, 2023 Share #2033 Posted January 17, 2023 ... and back to some pictures. 75/1.25 Noctilux with SL2-S. A candid shot while shooting one evening near Blackfriars in London. Extremely complicated white balance owing to the variety and number of light sources and shooting directly into some of them but I felt that both the 75 Noctilux and SL2-S dealt with them well. Pete. "He's the One." Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 10 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/297666-show-us-your-noctilux-wide-open-shots/?do=findComment&comment=4646717'>More sharing options...
sarav Posted January 17, 2023 Share #2034 Posted January 17, 2023 4 hours ago, fil-m said: In relation to the above comments. I believe Karbe's design objectives of great sharpness, "rich" micro contrast and controlled transition to OOF reflected differently on Leica's recent lines of lenses. I am pretty much impressed with his APO Summicrons, the 35 representing in my view, state of the art engineering considering the impressive quality and unique character of the lens in such a small body. Almost the same with the 50 and its low distortion, compact frame. With the Summilux he went a little less agressive, they are still sharp, relatively compact, with their own character both the 35 and 50. I am much less familiar with the 21 and 28. However his "unconstrained" design objectives brought a lot of noticeable consequences for the Noctilux line, and those must be accepted (this is my personal view). The most visible ones that apply to both the 75mm and 50mm are the size, weight (and price!). This might be ok for a pro photographer whose job is to adapt and carry his or her equipment, but more constraining for a street or candid photographer looking for an all-day-carry lens, which is less conspicuous. The 50 in particular brings too much CA and purple fringe sometimes at the limits of the "acceptable" given the price tag. I realise it is still 2008 tech but by pushing too much on the aperture (.95 vs 1.0) and sharpness, we got massive amounts of CA, made more visible with the higher resolution of the M10R or M11. The 75 is impressive with lots of "new generation" unique character, almost invisible CA, but at the expense of even bigger size and weight (1kg). The 50 looks almost tiny in comparison. So in my view the Noctilux are even more specialised lenses today than they ever were. Personally even if I loved the 50/.95, its amazing colours (minus the CA) and its unique Summilux like B/W rendering, I gave up on it and exchanged it for an APO50 plus Noctilux 50/1. Surprisingly the 50/1 gives much less CA (maybe because it is less sharp and slower; so less design constraints), is relatively smaller and still manageable for special occasions making it a better choice for me, despite the "dramatic" 11% loss of extra light gathering capabilities and the loss of sharpness. The 75 remains an impressive feat, I had the occasion to use it for some shots. Great results, unique for portraits, but no way that I use it for candids or on the street, even if I realise its potential for creativity in this context - just too big and heavy for me, not practical even if I can manage. I don't want to fell "forced" carrying a lens. The interesting part is that Leica's approach of remaking old lenses, give us choice, the tiny Summaron 28 and Summilux 35, the relatively compact Noctilux 50/1.2 - old gen design objectives with different results than new the generation line. CA with 0.95 is not terrible with M10-R (I don't know with M11) and barely visible in 20x30 inch shots. If you want to look at CA is a problem of mental-pixel-peeping. Most of old lenses have tons of CA; images rendered with them are often better than the ones obtained with latest lenses (not technically). F0.95 is a wonderful lens, F1 is a wonderful lens...they are different, both have CA but images are super and CA is almost not disturbing. 75 Noctilux is a gem but is too bulky, it's not an M-lens to me. I've bought it and sold it after a couple of years, I've made many shots (some with CA) but I prefer a bit of CA, a bit of distortion and a bit of falloff with a small 0.5Kg lens instead of a perfect 1Kg lens. If Leica would ever sell a Noctilux 75 in the size of a 0.95 for 20/25000 Euro there would be a long backorder from day one. For this special lenses price is not a problem...size is! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fil-m Posted January 17, 2023 Share #2035 Posted January 17, 2023 20 minutes ago, sarav said: CA with 0.95 is not terrible with M10-R (I don't know with M11) and barely visible in 20x30 inch shots. If you want to look at CA is a problem of mental-pixel-peeping. Most of old lenses have tons of CA; images rendered with them are often better than the ones obtained with latest lenses (not technically). F0.95 is a wonderful lens, F1 is a wonderful lens...they are different, both have CA but images are super and CA is almost not disturbing. 75 Noctilux is a gem but is too bulky, it's not an M-lens to me. I've bought it and sold it after a couple of years, I've made many shots (some with CA) but I prefer a bit of CA, a bit of distortion and a bit of falloff with a small 0.5Kg lens instead of a perfect 1Kg lens. If Leica would ever sell a Noctilux 75 in the size of a 0.95 for 20/25000 Euro there would be a long backorder from day one. For this special lenses price is not a problem...size is! I don’t have a problem of mental-pixel-peeping, I personally find the .95 CA quite excessive and disturbing especially with strong contrast situations and backlight for example, OOF circles becoming purple etc etc. Indeed old lenses have it but it never disturbed me. The Noctilux 95 is notorious for this problem just look for it on Google if you want - but maybe we all share some pixel peeping mental problems You may consider CA and purple fringing at these levels acceptable that’s fine - and in any case the .95 remains a great lens. My personal preference is the more compact and cheaper f1 which also suffers less from this issue. In any case there is no right or wrong choice, it is just about preference Agree with you on the 75/1.25 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted January 17, 2023 Share #2036 Posted January 17, 2023 This is a picture thread so could related discussions be taken to another thread please? Pete. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Bunting Posted January 17, 2023 Share #2037 Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) Double post--please delete. Edited January 17, 2023 by Jeremy Bunting Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Bunting Posted January 17, 2023 Share #2038 Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, fil-m said: The 75 remains an impressive feat, I had the occasion to use it for some shots. Great results, unique for portraits, but no way that I use it for candids or on the street, even if I realise its potential for creativity in this context - just too big and heavy for me, not practical even if I can manage. I don't want to fell "forced" carrying a lens. ...the 75 Noctilux is really not that big, guys. Large for an M lens? Sure. Large compared to a Nikon, Canon or even SL lens, not at all. At 2.3 pounds it actually weighs slightly less than the Summilux-SL 50. I use a good shoulder strap and have no problem walking around with it all night for street photography, or (as I learned last Friday) carrying it around all night at a rave. 13 minutes ago, farnz said: This is a picture thread so could related discussions be taken to another thread please? Pete. That's fair enough, but it's fairly easy to scroll past text, and personally I find discussion of the relative merits and performance of each of these lenses, especially wide open given that's how most people like to shoot their Noctilux, relevant in a thread full of pictures of the various Noctilux lenses shot wide open. Most of us will not collect them all and it's helpful to know how each performs relative to the other. Although I do agree that photos to illustrate people's respective points would be helpful, which is what I've tried to do. Carry on! Edited January 17, 2023 by Jeremy Bunting Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf2000 Posted January 17, 2023 Share #2039 Posted January 17, 2023 3 hours ago, farnz said: ... and back to some pictures. 75/1.25 Noctilux with SL2-S. A candid shot while shooting one evening near Blackfriars in London. Extremely complicated white balance owing to the variety and number of light sources and shooting directly into some of them but I felt that both the 75 Noctilux and SL2-S dealt with them well. Pete. "He's the One." Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Looks like a behind the scenes studio shot, cool stuff 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith (M) Posted January 17, 2023 Share #2040 Posted January 17, 2023 50mm f1.2, M11. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 4 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/297666-show-us-your-noctilux-wide-open-shots/?do=findComment&comment=4647312'>More sharing options...
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