gotium Posted January 16, 2022 Share #301 Posted January 16, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 22 minutes ago, jonoslack said: Most of the time using the EVF I don't zoom in - you can see very well what's in focus and what ain't - so you can see what's in focus for the full frame - I don't use focus peaking (it muddies the water with the composition). So you can see what's infocus right across the EVF Best Thank you! I think I’m going to have to try one after all… Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tom0511 Posted January 17, 2022 Share #302 Posted January 17, 2022 vor 16 Stunden schrieb jonoslack: Most of the time using the EVF I don't zoom in - you can see very well what's in focus and what ain't - so you can see what's in focus for the full frame - I don't use focus peaking (it muddies the water with the composition). So you can see what's infocus right across the EVF Best Does it work for you also for wide angle like 28mm or wider? jonoslack 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fil-m Posted January 17, 2022 Share #303 Posted January 17, 2022 Hello Jonathan Many thanks for the great review and dedication in answering questions! As you have used the M11 with many APO Summicron-M lens, do you have anything to say that could help me in choosing between the 35mm or 50mm APOs? Not to start a focal length debate as this is not the objective and as in my case I use both focal length. But more to see what's your impression in terms of handling and adaptability to the M11 plus difference with the Summicron or Summilux in terms of resolution and quality on the M11 (for example more interesting to have a 50mm standard Summicron and pay for the 35mm APO or vice-versa). Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted January 17, 2022 Author Share #304 Posted January 17, 2022 On 1/16/2022 at 3:44 AM, Dennis said: By the way, I just realized I’ve read the review but didn’t leave any comment🤦♂️ Thank you so much for all the exciting and exhaustive opinions and tips. We all read many reviews out there. Most of the time, it’s a lot of bla bla bla with not a solid body of work. Yours are on another level. To me, your exposures delight the eyes and make me think I’m there, like a wind taking life in the image. Thank you Dennis Much appreciated - it makes it all worthwhile if people like it! All the best Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted January 17, 2022 Author Share #305 Posted January 17, 2022 1 hour ago, fil-m said: Hello Jonathan Many thanks for the great review and dedication in answering questions! As you have used the M11 with many APO Summicron-M lens, do you have anything to say that could help me in choosing between the 35mm or 50mm APOs? Not to start a focal length debate as this is not the objective and as in my case I use both focal length. But more to see what's your impression in terms of handling and adaptability to the M11 plus difference with the Summicron or Summilux in terms of resolution and quality on the M11 (for example more interesting to have a 50mm standard Summicron and pay for the 35mm APO or vice-versa). Thanks. Hi There Well, I think my feeling is that the closer focusing on the 35 APO is really useful, also, with the high resolution sensor it's easy to crop down to 50mm without losing much (tricky going the other way though! ) All the best Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkmoore Posted January 17, 2022 Share #306 Posted January 17, 2022 2 hours ago, jonoslack said: Hi There Well, I think my feeling is that the closer focusing on the 35 APO is really useful, also, with the high resolution sensor it's easy to crop down to 50mm without losing much (tricky going the other way though! ) All the best Hello, As many others have commented into enjoyed your review, thank you. during your travels, did you have any rangefinder alignment issues? For example, when you dropped it? Curious if the rangefinder is identical to that in M10 series or if any changes have been made. I’ve had mostly good luck with the M10 RF but still a source of anxiety for me. thank you in advance. Dustin Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted January 17, 2022 Author Share #307 Posted January 17, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 6 hours ago, tom0511 said: Does it work for you also for wide angle like 28mm or wider? Good question Truth is that it's not so much of an issue. I tend to use the rangefinder at 28 and wider (especially when stopped down). all the best Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted January 17, 2022 Author Share #308 Posted January 17, 2022 40 minutes ago, dkmoore said: Hello, As many others have commented into enjoyed your review, thank you. during your travels, did you have any rangefinder alignment issues? For example, when you dropped it? Curious if the rangefinder is identical to that in M10 series or if any changes have been made. I’ve had mostly good luck with the M10 RF but still a source of anxiety for me. thank you in advance. Dustin Hi Dustin Glad you enjoyed it. I was talking about the rangefinder today - the answer is no troubles - it seems very accurate and very good - and it didn't go out when I dropped it either. I think that Leica continuously make small improvements to the rangefinder mechanism, this seems fine, whether it's better or not is something different! best ZHNL and dkmoore 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vedivv Posted January 17, 2022 Share #309 Posted January 17, 2022 On 1/15/2022 at 8:15 AM, jonoslack said: Hi There Well, I think there are several reasons 1. I mostly shoot wide open, and my tripod is always in the barn! 2. I'm lazy and careless 3. yes - I was shooting with the rangefinder most of the time rather than EVF 4. When I pick images for articles I pick the ones I like and don't check too hard at 100% 5. I'm lazy and careless So - on to your question I've felt that the rangefinder is really good and really accurate - it feels to me to be slightly better than my M10 and M10-R, I hope that helps - all errors are down to the photographer! best Jono Hi Jono, I am impressed with your self-deprecation, very British and something we should learn here in the US. I like your point number 4, and that should always be the case for photographers. You picked great pictures! Having said that, I think 60MP is really pushing the RF capability. It is very psychological. The truth is, even "small" camera output should be enough for most uses. Knowing that 61MP is there, but not using it just feels a little something missing. I can use Sony A7RIV to do most things that M11 does, but the special experience of using RF and pleasure of handling a refined machine should never be overlooked. Best, Lu jonoslack 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkmoore Posted January 17, 2022 Share #310 Posted January 17, 2022 1 hour ago, jonoslack said: Hi Dustin Glad you enjoyed it. I was talking about the rangefinder today - the answer is no troubles - it seems very accurate and very good - and it didn't go out when I dropped it either. I think that Leica continuously make small improvements to the rangefinder mechanism, this seems fine, whether it's better or not is something different! best Thank you for getting back to me and glad to hear it’s held up well. RF / lens alignment is really the only weakness to me over the years. It keeps getting more and more reliable. jonoslack 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adli Posted January 18, 2022 Share #311 Posted January 18, 2022 16 hours ago, jonoslack said: Hi Dustin Glad you enjoyed it. I was talking about the rangefinder today - the answer is no troubles - it seems very accurate and very good - and it didn't go out when I dropped it either. I think that Leica continuously make small improvements to the rangefinder mechanism, this seems fine, whether it's better or not is something different! best I found the rangefinder on the M8/M9/M240 horrible, accuracy all over the place, especially with my M9. Impossible to have a consistent calibration. With the improvement on the M10, it was dead solid again. I would assume the M11 rangefinder will behave the same. jonoslack and Rick 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted January 18, 2022 Author Share #312 Posted January 18, 2022 On 1/17/2022 at 5:40 PM, vedivv said: Hi Jono, I am impressed with your self-deprecation, very British and something we should learn here in the US. I like your point number 4, and that should always be the case for photographers. You picked great pictures! Having said that, I think 60MP is really pushing the RF capability. It is very psychological. The truth is, even "small" camera output should be enough for most uses. Knowing that 61MP is there, but not using it just feels a little something missing. I can use Sony A7RIV to do most things that M11 does, but the special experience of using RF and pleasure of handling a refined machine should never be overlooked. Best, Lu Hi There Lu You shouldn't confuse self-deprecation with modesty! It might be very British, but I'm not sure you should learn it! I was trying to get across a point - and it's true that I'm lazy - but I wouldn't rather be more conscientious in this situation 😂 I have a little mantra: " If a picture is interesting then nobody cares whether it's technically good, and if it isn't interesting then nobody cares at all" As for 60mp and the rangefinder capability, I've not found it to be a problem (sure you miss a few if you shoot wide open - but then it was always thus!). I don't think you have anything to lose - if it's blurry at 100% just scale it down a bit! - and if you get it right then it's BIG. All the best nuc001, SrMi and LocalHero1953 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daedalus2000 Posted January 18, 2022 Share #313 Posted January 18, 2022 9 hours ago, adli said: I found the rangefinder on the M8/M9/M240 horrible, accuracy all over the place, especially with my M9. Impossible to have a consistent calibration. With the improvement on the M10, it was dead solid again. I would assume the M11 rangefinder will behave the same. If that helps, I was very impressed with the RF accuracy of the M11 for all my lenses. jonoslack and adli 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lelmer Posted January 18, 2022 Share #314 Posted January 18, 2022 Hi Jono, What about dust on the sensor? have you noticed a difference with you M10, assuming a similar usage? Sorry if the question has already been asked. Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted January 18, 2022 Author Share #315 Posted January 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Lelmer said: Hi Jono, What about dust on the sensor? have you noticed a difference with you M10, assuming a similar usage? Sorry if the question has already been asked. Thanks Hi There Good question - I cleaned the sensor for the first time a week or two back - it needed it, but it wasn't that bad But is cleaning a sensor a problem? all the nest Kim Dahl and Lelmer 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lelmer Posted January 18, 2022 Share #316 Posted January 18, 2022 1 hour ago, jonoslack said: Hi There Good question - I cleaned the sensor for the first time a week or two back - it needed it, but it wasn't that bad But is cleaning a sensor a problem? all the nest Thank you...so, no real difference Cleaning the sensor is not a problem, I just don't like to do it 😉 jonoslack 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tashley Posted January 19, 2022 Share #317 Posted January 19, 2022 15 hours ago, adli said: I found the rangefinder on the M8/M9/M240 horrible, accuracy all over the place, especially with my M9. Impossible to have a consistent calibration. With the improvement on the M10, it was dead solid again. I would assume the M11 rangefinder will behave the same. I share your pain, though for me the 240 was good, the 10 almost perfect and the 11 seems good so far. Jono has observed, and I thoroughly concur, that historically part of the problem was that people would send their lenses and cameras in together to get calibrated to each other, and that this made no long term sense because either item could end up not playing well with others it might encounter in later life. My M11 so far, not yet throughly tested but by eye in an informal way, seems to work well with my existing lenses with none of those ‘here we go again’ moments so familiar from the M8/9 days… Rick, IkarusJohn and kkochheiser 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 19, 2022 Share #318 Posted January 19, 2022 6 minutes ago, tashley said: people would send their lenses and cameras in together to get calibrated to each other, and that this made no long term sense because either item could end up not playing well with others it might encounter in later life. Leica Service actually encourages users to send in camera and lens(es) to avoid guesswork and to minimize back and forth shipping. Their practice, unless specifically requested otherwise, is to calibrate each component to an established standard, not to each other. Not only have build tolerances improved over time for the M bodies, but so has the measuring equipment used. Sherry Krauter, one of the respected third party repair techs, explained that she won’t work on digital Ms because the high end calibration gear is cost prohibitive. Jeff jonoslack and rpopescu 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tashley Posted January 19, 2022 Share #319 Posted January 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Jeff S said: Leica Service actually encourages users to send in camera and lens(es) to avoid guesswork and to minimize back and forth shipping. Their practice, unless specifically requested otherwise, is to calibrate each component to an established standard, not to each other. Not only have build tolerances improved over time for the M bodies, but so has the measuring equipment used. Sherry Krauter, one of the respected third party repair techs, explained that she won’t work on digital Ms because the high end calibration gear is cost prohibitive. Jeff It’s my understanding - quite possibly incorrect but I have my reasons for believing it - that what you say is true as per now, but that historically (think M8 through 240) it was not - and that at that time it was general practice to calibrate the items to each other rather than as per today, which is as you say, to a universal standard within the Venn-diagrammatical overlaps of which they would meet. jonoslack and IkarusJohn 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevejack Posted January 19, 2022 Share #320 Posted January 19, 2022 7 hours ago, jonoslack said: Hi There Lu You shouldn't confuse self-deprecation with modesty! It might be very British, but I'm not sure you should learn it! I was trying to get across a point - and it's true that I'm lazy - but I wouldn't rather be more conscientious in this situation 😂 I have a little mantra: " If a picture is interesting then nobody cares whether it's technically good, and if it isn't interesting then nobody cares at all" As for 60mp and the rangefinder capability, I've not found it to be a problem (sure you miss a few if you shoot wide open - but then it was always thus!). I don't think you have anything to lose - if it's blurry at 100% just scale it down a bit! - and if you get it right then it's BIG. All the best 100% this. @vedivv If you miss focus, you miss focus no matter what the resolution. You have a better chance of rescuing a slightly OOF shot by reducing that 60mp file down to 24mp, or even better, run that 60mp image through Topaz sharpening and apply that sharpening to only the OOF area. I often shoot birds at 400mm f/2.8. Now THAT's a shallow depth of field and occasionally there is a slight miss (or you catch focus on the tip of a wing rather than the eye) but on a good shot it usually won't matter. For birds I'm using a 50mp camera and sometimes cropping heavily so it's punishingly obvious if you miss focus, but I've had great success rescuing a slight miss with Topaz software and my success using this software improved when I went from 24mp to 50mp. More information in the image will always give the software processing it the best chance at giving a great result, this applies to sharpening + noise reduction equally. I don't think I've ever bothered rescuing a missed focus shot with my digital Leicas (both 40mp) because that's not the look I'm going for there - but the same principle applies. If you start with more information in your digital file, the software processing it will give you better results 👍 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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