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Thank you for the report and the test.
I like the color separation of the straight M11 b&w conversion more than the M11M file.
You will always have to use an orange or redfilter with the M11M to separate the greens and the reds better 
For my taste you can achieve more variations with the color M11 than with the M11 monochrome.

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Thank you for the review, Jono.

1 hour ago, jonoslack said:

e found that it's best to set the camera to hybrid shutter, that way it uses the mechanical shutter up to 1/4000 and the electronic shutter beyond that. This avoids problems related to the slow readout of the electronic shutter.

I do not think that faster shutter speed helps with rolling shutter.

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19 minutes ago, SrMi said:

Thank you for the review, Jono.

I do not think that faster shutter speed helps with rolling shutter.

I read that as in it avoids having problems related to slow readout when going under 1/4000, above you'll likely still have rolling shutter same as M11. So setting to hybrid has best of both worlds

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7 minutes ago, maxpower said:

I read that as in it avoids having problems related to slow readout when going under 1/4000, above you'll likely still have rolling shutter same as M11. So setting to hybrid has best of both worlds

The readout speed is the same, regardless of the shutter speed. The "problems" are the same regardless of the shutter speed.

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Thank you for your comprehensive report Jono !

What is your experience with dust on the sensor after so many months using the M11M / M11 ?

Since the M11 shutter is open much longer, compared to an M10, I would expect that the sensor also collects more dust.

I have to clean my M10 sensor every 5-6 months or so, and do not consider myself a frequent photographer: some weeks I do not touch the shutter at all.

Cheers,

Robert Hardeman

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12 minutes ago, SrMi said:

The readout speed is the same, regardless of the shutter speed. The "problems" are the same regardless of the shutter speed.

My understanding of this is that there is a difference, but rolling shutter definitely also is a thing on mechanical shutters however depending on the shutter speed it can be less than electronic. With the mechanical shutter the sensor is not 100% exposed to light the entirety of the shutter speed because of the two curtain system which helps deal with the slow readout time. At least, that's in broad lines what I remember learning at some point.

But I'm also not going to pretend to know enough about this to give more detail or 100% certainty so I'll also leave it at this.

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1 hour ago, SrMi said:

Thank you for the review, Jono.

I do not think that faster shutter speed helps with rolling shutter.

Hi There

Of course it doesn't, but that isn't what I meant - if you only use the electronic shutter at speeds above 1/4000 you aren't going to be. using it very often, and probably only in very good light outdoors where most of the issues will have gone (except the verticals of course)

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Just now, jonoslack said:

Hi There

Of course it doesn't, but that isn't what I meant - if you only use the electronic shutter at speeds above 1/4000 you aren't going to be. using it very often, and probably only in very good light outdoors where most of the issues will have gone (except the verticals of course)

Thank you for the clarification, Jono.

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2 minutes ago, SrMi said:

Thank you for the clarification, Jono.

I should have been clear in the first place I guess 🤣 My bad! I think the electronic shutter is great for wandering about on bright sunny days with a Noctilux . . . but it's clearly not good for artificial light or moving targets!

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Thank you, once again, for your very informative review - it covers all of the aspects that I would want to understand, and your photos are always enjoyable! I regret this is not for me, but that is because my wants are satisfied in other Leicas, not for anything wrong with this (or the M11)

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Many thanks for the review, which probably required a lot of work, and for the lovely photos.  I had an M9M at some point but was disappointed with its handling of the highlights which I found unnatural.  The right arm of the guitar player in the photos above is a good example of what I found problematic and why I couldn't continue using this camera. 

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Many thanks for the very informative review Jono. Not a camera for me, as I stick to film for B&W and my funds are earmarked for a Q3 in any case. 

Wilson

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I would like one of these cameras to play with,  I do see the attraction. I'm a film shooter these days and when your M3 or M4 is loaded up with a roll of B&W you are thinking and seeing in tones and textures etc. I don't need to remind myself why I love B&W. 

Of course, I also like colour and some days I load up a roll of colour film and then I'm in colour mode when I'm out shooting. I know some folk find it hard to be really good at both and find a preference for one or the other but for those who shoot both you will know that sometimes you realize before you head out on a trip that you don't know in advance whether to load up with colour or B&W. The solution we use is to carry two bodies which means more weight and stuff to juggle and make sure you know which camera you are shooting. When you have sufficient cause to spend real money on your hobby or profession most of your money is probably in lenses so having a couple of old M-film bodies is not unusual. 

But a mono M11 is a seriously expensive camera. To have a regular colour capable M11 and a mono M11M is twice as painful and no better than having to carry two film bodies around. 

So I'm waiting for the day when they figure out how to make a camera which can be used as a true mono with all the advantages of a filter-less sensor and be switched over to full colour. Then we will have finally moved beyond film.

 

The M11M would be nice to play with.

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