Chaemono Posted December 31, 2019 Share #161 Posted December 31, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) Let's not fight, girls, it's just RAW files, (😁) and since the title of the thread is "Image quality comparison between Hasselblad X1D II and Leica SL2," let's post some. Okay, the XCD 80/1.9 is off the charts sharp wide open. It beats any FF 50-55 mm f/1.4 lens for sharpness in the center and in the corners. Is the difference vs. the 50 Summilux-SL significant? I shot both lenses on a tripod and it is in the extreme corners, I'd say. This XCD lens packs 14 elements in nine groups and even though it's smaller than the 50 Summilux-SL, it weighs only 21 g less. This leads to the practical problem of making the X1D II with it very front-heavy. Keep in mind that the Hassy is smaller than the SL2 and the nice thumb-rest-formed grip on the back of the camera doesn't help much in this case because the lens is simply so heavy. I could see in the viewfinder how the green focus square would move as I couldn't hold the X1D II steady with it, and I found myself having to bump up the ISO to 400 in oder to get shutter speeds of at least 1/320 sec. This ensured sharp pictures handheld to compare with the 50 Summilux-SL. The XCD 80/1.9 has no distortion and the opcodes only correct vignetting and the color of the files. But as with most things in life, there is a trade-off. This XCD lens is optimized for sharpness across the frame, but, unfortunately, to the detriment of slight fringing at the sharp edges and visible fringing at the borders of dark and bright OOF areas. Some of it can be removed in post but not all, as in this example here. Other than that, it draws similarly to the 50 Summilux-SL from what I could see so far. Less compressed JPEGs here: https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-s7N2tR/ X1D II + XCD 80/1.9 RAW file download here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g94913984-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=TfPvV_wLRkwWSJtKPrr3MN6GdQvCTROgWJnfljCWQQQ= Look at the left side, on the windshield edges, and the grille. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ISO 400 f/1.9 @1/350 sec. SL2 + 50 Summilxu-SL RAW file download here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g253859097-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=cBkEkyNOpRaJlvRYZcM_XUxSVBbTpzFWA5EatBvEItE= Cleaner grille, cleaner windshield edges. ISO 100 f/1.4 @1/100 sec. 1 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ISO 400 f/1.9 @1/350 sec. SL2 + 50 Summilxu-SL RAW file download here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g253859097-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=cBkEkyNOpRaJlvRYZcM_XUxSVBbTpzFWA5EatBvEItE= Cleaner grille, cleaner windshield edges. ISO 100 f/1.4 @1/100 sec. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/303257-image-quality-comparison-between-hasselblad-x1d-ii-and-leica-sl2/?do=findComment&comment=3882587'>More sharing options...
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IkarusJohn Posted December 31, 2019 Share #162 Posted December 31, 2019 A reasonably worthless comparison as the depth of field is different - stop the 80 XCD down to f/2 and it would be closer (11mm cf 13mm). As for the rest of the comments, I have no problem handholding the 80/1.9 XCD on my X1D II at ISO 100. While your enthusiasm for your testing is admirable, your conclusions are questionable. I wouldn’t bother commenting, but it does irritate me when products get panned on the internet by baseless comments. You seem to do this a lot. I have both the lenses, and if I’m bothered by weight (which I’m not - lenses are what they are), the Summilux is heavier and bigger, as your own photo back a page shows, and the X1D II has the best grip of ant camera. Yet, you criticise the Hasselblad ... Looking at your JPegs, if you were presented with either image, would you really have any issue with the image quality? The Summilux is Leica's reference 50, and taking into account the depth of field differences, I think the images are almost indistinguishable (though the composition leaves much to be desired). Why not read Sean Reid’s methodology and try again, if you must. 2 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alistairm Posted December 31, 2019 Share #163 Posted December 31, 2019 Happy New Year everyone. Don't feed the trolls in 2020. 8 2 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted December 31, 2019 Share #164 Posted December 31, 2019 7 minutes ago, Alistairm said: Happy New Year everyone. Don't feed the trolls in 2020. You too. May we all have a new decade full of wonderful photographic opportunities. Gordon 7 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bags27 Posted December 31, 2019 Share #165 Posted December 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, FlashGordonPhotography said: You too. May we all have a new decade full of wonderful photographic opportunities. Gordon +! I shop at Trolls Are Us. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedro Posted January 1, 2020 Share #166 Posted January 1, 2020 happy 2020, happy new decade, more picture taking/sharing and less posturing pls 2 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted January 1, 2020 Share #167 Posted January 1, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) ‘Please, stop posting links to RAW files. We can’t take it no more.’ 😂 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Q Posted January 1, 2020 Share #168 Posted January 1, 2020 On 12/30/2019 at 9:27 AM, Chaemono said: The XCD lenses are soft wide open. 15 hours ago, Chaemono said: Okay, the XCD 80/1.9 is off the charts sharp wide open. It beats any FF 50-55 mm f/1.4 lens for sharpness in the center and in the corners. See, this is why we need to take what you say with a grain of salt. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted January 1, 2020 Share #169 Posted January 1, 2020 vor 46 Minuten schrieb Mr.Q: See, this is why we need to take what you say with a grain of salt. Don’t worry, I’ll do the XCD 90/3.2 vs. the 75 Summicron-SL, too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Q Posted January 1, 2020 Share #170 Posted January 1, 2020 You wouldn't have to if you avoided contradicting yourself with such sweeping statements. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted January 1, 2020 Share #171 Posted January 1, 2020 I feel bad now. Let's make up and look at the next one. All f/1.4 lenses will fringe to some extend, at the edges of shiny metal parts and also at the borders of extremely dark and bright OOF areas, but manufactures have gotten really good at minimizing this effect, particularly at the price category of the Lumix S Pro 50/1.4 and above. The 50 Summilux-SL is virtually PF/CA-free. With the XCD 80/1.9 this wasn't the priority of Hasselblad and Nittoh, the maker of the XCD lenses, it seems, and the thinking must have been, it can be removed in post anyway. Instead, they went for maximum sharpness across the frame. And some of it can be removed in post but not all of it without affecting the colors of the image. Less compressed JPEGs here: https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-s7N2tR/ X1D II + XCD 80/1.9 RAW file download here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g297815315-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=E7oHxwWW3yLjceyG5XGJUqZxo8sjyd72gsY40TtACWk. No, it's not just the shiny little guy with the wings on top of the grille. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ISO 100 f/1.9 @1/200 sec. SL2 + 50 Summilux-SL RAW file download here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g20781668-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=h9blOfqlCD72Kty9j3jhd2ldrohOv9D5j9aht-0GvUI=. Much cleaner to begin with means much less work in post. ISO 100 f/1.4 @1/250 sec 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ISO 100 f/1.9 @1/200 sec. SL2 + 50 Summilux-SL RAW file download here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g20781668-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=h9blOfqlCD72Kty9j3jhd2ldrohOv9D5j9aht-0GvUI=. Much cleaner to begin with means much less work in post. ISO 100 f/1.4 @1/250 sec ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/303257-image-quality-comparison-between-hasselblad-x1d-ii-and-leica-sl2/?do=findComment&comment=3882923'>More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted January 1, 2020 Share #172 Posted January 1, 2020 It's also in the OOF areas. Less compressed JPEGs here: https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-s7N2tR/ X1D II + XCD 80/1.9 crop from above. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! SL2 + 50 Summilux-SL crop from above 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! SL2 + 50 Summilux-SL crop from above ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/303257-image-quality-comparison-between-hasselblad-x1d-ii-and-leica-sl2/?do=findComment&comment=3882925'>More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted January 1, 2020 Share #173 Posted January 1, 2020 And it's basically all over the place in scenes like these. Less compressed JPEGs here: https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-s7N2tR/ X1D II + XCD 80/1.9 crop from above shows very pronounced fringing. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! SL2 + 50 Summilux-SL crop from above not even worth calling it fringing. 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! SL2 + 50 Summilux-SL crop from above not even worth calling it fringing. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/303257-image-quality-comparison-between-hasselblad-x1d-ii-and-leica-sl2/?do=findComment&comment=3882929'>More sharing options...
sillbeers15 Posted January 1, 2020 Share #174 Posted January 1, 2020 5 hours ago, Chaemono said: It's also in the OOF areas. Less compressed JPEGs here: https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-s7N2tR/ X1D II + XCD 80/1.9 crop from above. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! SL2 + 50 Summilux-SL crop from above Thanks for sharing these images. Picture speaks a thousand words. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillbeers15 Posted January 1, 2020 Share #175 Posted January 1, 2020 5 hours ago, Chaemono said: It's also in the OOF areas. Less compressed JPEGs here: https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-s7N2tR/ X1D II + XCD 80/1.9 crop from above. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! SL2 + 50 Summilux-SL crop from above The first picture looks flat in comparision with the second picture and the first picture "purple frindges'. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted January 1, 2020 Share #176 Posted January 1, 2020 vor 1 Stunde schrieb sillbeers15: The first picture looks flat in comparision with the second picture and the first picture "purple frindges'. So well observed, sillbeers15. The 50 Summilux-SL has that depth look to it,. It's even more pronounced in this one. In fact, all of the SL primes have this depth rendering. These ones are processed to try to match and the SL2 picture is a tiny bit cropped. RAW file download link included. Less compressed JPEGs here: https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-s7N2tR/ X1D II + XCD 80/1.9 RAW file download here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g836681301-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=Q11Dw-9Kyrmhti1MJ6r2GOmjFjw13CPorT_qhflt6aQ= Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ISO 400 f/1.9 @1/250 sec. SL2 + 50 Summilux-SL RAW file download here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g801329071-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=v0yGXaYTU9py5O39fFkTP47WyF-l-YmYr9WcZt3WIAo= ISO 100 f/1.4 @1/80 sec. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ISO 400 f/1.9 @1/250 sec. SL2 + 50 Summilux-SL RAW file download here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g801329071-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=v0yGXaYTU9py5O39fFkTP47WyF-l-YmYr9WcZt3WIAo= ISO 100 f/1.4 @1/80 sec. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/303257-image-quality-comparison-between-hasselblad-x1d-ii-and-leica-sl2/?do=findComment&comment=3883181'>More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted January 1, 2020 Share #177 Posted January 1, 2020 Here as well, pronounced depth rendering of the 50 Summilux-SL. X1D picture is slightly cropped at the bottom. Processed as much as possible to try to match. RAW files download links included. Less compressed JPEGs here: https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-s7N2tR/ X1D II + XCD 80/1.9 RAW file download here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g633042534-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=Bj1HyS9J_YWuX6uzObXjpmrhQTGyMie3-iVS72-3eVM= Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ISO 400 f/1.9 @1/250 sec. SL2 + 50 Summilux-SL RAW file download here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g913156365-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=DdUCJNhnLgzbwWMoJmqFfR1vn790Bi9zfGggTAEy-bY= ISO 100 f/1.4 @1/80 sec. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ISO 400 f/1.9 @1/250 sec. SL2 + 50 Summilux-SL RAW file download here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g913156365-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=DdUCJNhnLgzbwWMoJmqFfR1vn790Bi9zfGggTAEy-bY= ISO 100 f/1.4 @1/80 sec. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/303257-image-quality-comparison-between-hasselblad-x1d-ii-and-leica-sl2/?do=findComment&comment=3883196'>More sharing options...
setuporg Posted January 1, 2020 Share #178 Posted January 1, 2020 The faces on the left in the SL shot look messier to me than the XCD. Smoother in the top one! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted January 1, 2020 Share #179 Posted January 1, 2020 Same smooth bokeh as the 55 Otus except that the XCD 80/1.9 is even sharper in the center and in the corners. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted January 2, 2020 Share #180 Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) So they are almost the same ? Why bother with X1D II ? SL2 will offer better versatility overall and broader lens choice : L-mount alliance ; M ; R ; S Edited January 2, 2020 by nicci78 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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