andybarton Posted December 13, 2009 Share #121 Posted December 13, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Leica know exactly how many cracked IR filters there are. They will be fixing them. No, it is not "likely that many people who do not contribute to the forum have had the same issue?", unless you live in glass-half-empty-land. It could be a one off. Apparently, it might be a "four-off" or it might be more. We don't know. The only people who do, are Leica. If it were a common problem, there would be dozens and dozens of M9 owners on here, and elsewhere, with the same problem, but there aren't. This isn't a green blob, or green line problem, IMHO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 13, 2009 Posted December 13, 2009 Hi andybarton, Take a look here What would happen if the M9 was a flawed camera?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Jager Posted December 13, 2009 Share #122 Posted December 13, 2009 The distinction is between those issues (like a cracked IR filter) which are obviously one-off exceptions, low-probability issues versus those which are systemic in nature. The left-side magenta cast is the only issue I have yet to hear that appears systemic. The very title of this thread infers a clear bias, and an inability or disinclination to make that distinction. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theendlesshouse Posted December 13, 2009 Share #123 Posted December 13, 2009 For me the M9 has best succeeded in capturing the essence of film but when you start to talk of art, light and beauty, punctum - the ephemeral elements of photography, people switch off until you start to talk about iso's, focal distance, shutter speed or lag, IR etc. How boringly technical photography has become. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted December 13, 2009 Share #124 Posted December 13, 2009 Four too many, but let's keep this in perspective. I understand your point but I still think that four is quite a few. As far as I know, this problem has never been reported for the M8 and there are literally many thousands of those cameras which have been used daily over the last three years. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tina Manley Posted December 13, 2009 Share #125 Posted December 13, 2009 You guys are right. This M9 is a terrible, flawed camera that should never have been released. I've had mine for two months now and it has just now managed to pay for itself. Evidently I've been able to fool everybody into not noticing the flaws in the photos. I usually work with at least two M cameras and sometimes three, so if any of you want to get rid of your flawed M9's I'd gladly take them off your hands. I'll manage to use them somehow. I'll even pay for shipping. Tina Tina Manley Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted December 13, 2009 Share #126 Posted December 13, 2009 You guys are right. This M9 is a terrible....blah blah I'm not sure sarcasm is quite your forté, Tina? Why is it so difficult to attempt a rational discussion of anything to do with Leica without the usual fanboy/girl suspects rearing their ugly heads? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doug_m Posted December 13, 2009 Share #127 Posted December 13, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) "You guys are right. This M9 is a terrible, flawed camera that should never have been released. I've had mine for two months now and it has just now managed to pay for itself. Evidently I've been able to fool everybody into not noticing the flaws in the photos. I usually work with at least two M cameras and sometimes three, so if any of you want to get rid of your flawed M9's I'd gladly take them off your hands. I'll manage to use them somehow. I'll even pay for shipping." Right on Tina! It seems to me that the M9 files are much superior to the M8 which is also a great camera. IMHO, its odd that anyone would go out of their way to bash an M9 from the perspective of not owning one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tina Manley Posted December 13, 2009 Share #128 Posted December 13, 2009 I'm not sure sarcasm is quite your forté, Tina? Why is it so difficult to attempt a rational discussion of anything to do with Leica without the usual fanboy/girl suspects rearing their ugly heads? Sorry, Ian, but I defend Leica because I've used other systems and I know how great Leica is in comparison. I only give praise where praise is due. Maybe I've been extremely lucky but I've had at least 3 Leica R's, 10 Leica film M's, and 3 Leica Digital M's over my 30+ years career and have never had a problem with any of them that couldn't be easily resolved. If that's being a fangirl, I guess I am. Should I make up complaints when I don't have any so I can fit in on the forum? Ugly Head Tina Manley Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
redbaron Posted December 13, 2009 Share #129 Posted December 13, 2009 (edited) There's only one 'thing' that's perfect. But at least He doesn't think He's Frank. ;-) Edited December 13, 2009 by redbaron Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delander † Posted December 13, 2009 Share #130 Posted December 13, 2009 I do have an M9 - somehow I just ordered one and it arrived in about 3 weeks. It is not a 'flawed' camera but it does have glitches mainly relating to its handling of SD cards, read, write, consistency, zooming-viewing, time to format etc. I have not seen the red colour down one side of the image so cant comment on that. After the M8 experience I do wonder why Leica released the camera with these problems which all came to light quite quickly once it was in the hands of ordinary customers and therefore left themselves open to further criticism. Hopefully a new FW will resolve them. Jeff Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delander † Posted December 13, 2009 Share #131 Posted December 13, 2009 The cracked cover glass on the sensor is interesting. If you remember Leica's method of cleaning the sensor was the multi-application of something which appeared to be a rod with an adhesive end directly onto the sensor, with some force. Jeff Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Posted December 14, 2009 Share #132 Posted December 14, 2009 IMHO, the M9 is a stop-gap camera, destined to play a keeping-the-company-in-business role before it's replaced with the camera they should have developed all along. Mark, Sure hope this isn't the case. I now have a M9 ,so far so good. Curious do you have one or plan to get one? Jet Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted December 14, 2009 Share #133 Posted December 14, 2009 IMHO, the M9 is a stop-gap camera, destined to play a keeping-the-company-in-business role before it's replaced with the camera they should have developed all along. Mark, Sure hope this isn't the case. I now have a M9 ,so far so good. Curious do you have one or plan to get one? Jet Yep! It sure stops my gap and is keeping me in business. No idea what it is doing to Leica. Presumably what it is doing to me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtZ Posted December 14, 2009 Author Share #134 Posted December 14, 2009 I do believe both phenomena (broken glass and magenta on the left) could be related. If the glass brakes it's propably due to tension bending the sensor/IR filter (maybe because the sensor is not properly aligned or where it should be) and a bent sensor/IR filter could produce the wierd (irregular) vignetting and magenta cast. The whole thing now is whether the sensor has been moved because of the battery or not. Cheers and Happy Christmas to all! I'll be off for a month with no internet connexion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 14, 2009 Share #135 Posted December 14, 2009 I do believe both phenomena (broken glass and magenta on the left) could be related. If the glass brakes it's propably due to tension bending the sensor/IR filter (maybe because the sensor is not properly aligned or where it should be) and a bent sensor/IR filter could produce the wierd (irregular) vignetting and magenta cast. The whole thing now is whether the sensor has been moved because of the battery or not. Cheers and Happy Christmas to all! I'll be off for a month with no internet connexion. I'm not quite sure one can bend 0.8 mm thick glass enough to cause an optical effect. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted December 14, 2009 Share #136 Posted December 14, 2009 I'm not quite sure one can bend 0.8 mm thick glass enough to cause an optical effect. ...without cracking it... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthury Posted December 14, 2009 Share #137 Posted December 14, 2009 ... if it were glass ... or was it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andalus Posted December 15, 2009 Share #138 Posted December 15, 2009 Since your M9's are likely flawed, I would suggest that you send me yours in trade on my very nice black paint MP. Then you can go to sleep knowing you have a perfect camera, albeit a film camera. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markgay Posted January 26, 2010 Share #139 Posted January 26, 2010 (edited) The original post reminds me of the woman in the Russian joke... Her husband finds her in the cellar, weeping inconsolably. 'Why are you crying, wife?'. 'I looked at the knives and axes down here and I fear for our future children.' You can worry about things that haven't happened. But it's damned silly. Mark Edited January 26, 2010 by markgay Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanhulsenbeek Posted January 27, 2010 Share #140 Posted January 27, 2010 Mark, as an M9 owner, I can assert that the problem is there with 28 and 21mm lens (maybe with 35mm too?). Don't wish to spoil the party, but no left red edge problem with my WATE. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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