Mono v Mono (new Pentax Monochrome DSLR v M11M)

[sometimesmaybe]

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Pentax / Ricoh has just released / announced a new monochrome DSLR / APSC camera.

The timing is a tad convenient (right before the launch of the M11M), but i wonder how it performs against all the M Monochroms.

Is anyone here interested or at the very least, a tad curious about the Pentax / Ricoh offering?

https://us.ricoh-imaging.com/product/pentax-k-3-mark-iii-monochrome/

 

Edited April 13, 2023 by sometimesmaybe

[benqui]

I am sure it will be a very good camera. But let‘s be honest, it is so ugly in comparison to a M Monochrome. And if I use a camera which in reality nobody needs I want to have this wonderful haptic feeling when I use a M camera.

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[dpitt]

I would be interested if it was FF and mirrorless. The I would wait for a few years and buy it dirt cheap for use with my R lenses.

Edited April 13, 2023 by dpitt

[rtai]

I read about it yesterday in another forum and am looking forward to the reviews. It has what I want: SLR (optical view finder), autofocus, 16-35 equivalent zoom which my only current option is the WATE. I might sell my SL2. The cropped sensor doesn’t bother me. 

[benqui]

vor 3 Stunden schrieb sometimesmaybe:

Pentax / Ricoh has just released / announced a new monochrome DSLR / APSC camera.

The timing is a tad convenient (right before the launch of the M11M), but i wonder how it performs against all the M Monochroms.

Is anyone here interested or at the very least, a tad curious about the Pentax / Ricoh offering?

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https://us.ricoh-imaging.com/product/pentax-k-3-mark-iii-monochrome/

 

Ok, forget my statement! I have seen the price from the new Mono M11: 9450 Euro! I am in love with the Pentax(and I will keep my Mono I)

[FrozenInTime]

The K3iii monochrome holds no interest ... but if the same APS-C sensor drops in to the GRIII/IIIx, then that gets my attention.

[1joel1]

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I've done some comparisons between my M9M and Sony A7rii (m) and found very similar results, nearly indistinguishable. The camera I choose depends on my goals for the day so for now I am keeping both.

[Stuart Richardson]

1 hour ago, FrozenInTime said:

The K3iii monochrome holds no interest ... but if the same APS-C sensor drops in to the GRIII/IIIx, then that gets my attention.

It sounds like an absolutely perfect fit, both from a philosophical standpoint and from a standpoint of the user base. Also the GR cameras are cheap enough that you can truly afford to have both. I hope they offer it in the GRIIIx, as that is my preferred, but I could see them just offering it in the GRIII standard to try the waters. Having an M11 and M11M with even one lens to share between them will set you back as much as a car, while a color and monochrome GR would probably still cost under 2000 dollars. Obviously they are not the same market, but it makes it a lot easier to buy a monochrome camera for occasional use or more specialized use, whereas to do the same with an M camera you have to have a very large amount of disposable income indeed.

[sometimesmaybe]

9 hours ago, dpitt said:

I would be interested if it was FF and mirrorless. The I would wait for a few years and buy it dirt cheap for use with my R lenses.

same here. i like mucking around with vintage 135 glass. i want the full fat FOV and rendering. that said... a pocket GR mono would be cool 

[Borna]

Of course, an very interesting camera, but it lacks soul and it lacks beauty. Perhaps fun to buy used in couple of years time. 

Edited April 14, 2023 by Borna

[tom.w.bn]

Am 13.4.2023 um 17:47 schrieb FrozenInTime:

The K3iii monochrome holds no interest ... but if the same APS-C sensor drops in to the GRIII/IIIx, then that gets my attention.

Saw a nice video from a Ricoh GR brand ambassador who tried the Pentax mono. Mono sensors are not good at highlight recovery. When you expose for the highlights, the images are very underexposed which is no problem because the shadow recovery in postprocessing is really good. But it makes the EVF or camera screen less useful. The opinion of this guy was, that a mono sensor goes best with an optical viewfinder and he can't think of a GR with mono sensor. 

[Mr.Prime]

On 4/14/2023 at 4:24 AM, Borna said:

Of course, an very interesting camera, but it lacks soul and it lacks beauty. Perhaps fun to buy used in couple of years time. 

Huh, somehow the M11M has Soul - Aren’t they just cameras ?

I think the M-series has tradition, nice handling and was/is ideal with film.

I think the SLR mono is worthy of consideration, not just pricing but from a useability perspective for framing and focus I think the SLR is a massively superior method over the rangefinder.

Edited April 15, 2023 by Mr.Prime

[algrove]

I truly hope Pentax does very well with this camera since for selfish reasons Fuji might come out with a Mono XT-5 camera once they see the success Pentax is having..

[FrozenInTime]

2 hours ago, tom.w.bn said:

Saw a nice video from a Ricoh GR brand ambassador who tried the Pentax mono. Mono sensors are not good at highlight recovery. When you expose for the highlights, the images are very underexposed which is no problem because the shadow recovery in postprocessing is really good. But it makes the EVF or camera screen less useful. The opinion of this guy was, that a mono sensor goes best with an optical viewfinder and he can't think of a GR with mono sensor. 

🙂 
 

The GR III already has highlight weighted metering 🙂

Edited April 15, 2023 by FrozenInTime

[sometimesmaybe]

3 hours ago, algrove said:

Fuji might come out with a Mono XT-5

just imagine in the new x-pro or x100 with more bnw film simulation 🤯

[Jeff S]

TOP reports that Pentax has suspended pre-orders since demand has exceeded production capability.  I suspect that other companies might follow suit.

Jeff

[Chaemono]

Manufacturers might as well focus only on B&W cameras from now on. Color photography in the future will be denigrated as being the domain of snap-shooters with their cellphones,…and of algorithms.

[Olaf_ZG]

I hope Pentax will succeed. They are still one old standing, so I wish them survival: they had great cameras in the past, and still have some.

Besides, most people can’t afford a leica monochrom (or phase one) so many people will be able to join/enjoy this.

If Fuji follows with the GFX series, this will be a great step forward and probably quite some competition to both phase one and leica.

[Chaemono]

There’s an M246 being offered for 500 € https://www.ebay.de/itm/195703002721?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=707-134425-41852-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=195703002721&targetid=1404954646921&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9044552&poi=&campaignid=17935704717&mkgroupid=139162549385&rlsatarget=pla-1404954646921&abcId=9301059&merchantid=7364532&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI7-mfpcax_gIVX4CDBx16dAdnEAQYASABEgJHw_D_BwE

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Hallo,

Look here: Leica M

[dpitt]

22 hours ago, Chaemono said:

There’s an M246 being offered for 500 € https://www.ebay.de/itm/195703002721?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=707-134425-41852-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=195703002721&targetid=1404954646921&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9044552&poi=&campaignid=17935704717&mkgroupid=139162549385&rlsatarget=pla-1404954646921&abcId=9301059&merchantid=7364532&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI7-mfpcax_gIVX4CDBx16dAdnEAQYASABEgJHw_D_BwE

Very fishy, new user of ebay since April 6, first item to be sold... I would not want to touch it unless I could fetch it in person.

Edited April 18, 2023 by dpitt