Rona!d Posted November 23, 2021 Share #16441 Posted November 23, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) vor 2 Minuten schrieb wlaidlaw: I would not want to propel anyone in the wrong direction. Wilson So the maker of the car came from aviation and still is in aviation? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wlaidlaw Posted November 23, 2021 Share #16442 Posted November 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Rona!d said: So the maker of the car came from aviation and still is in aviation? Correct. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted November 23, 2021 Share #16443 Posted November 23, 2021 vor 3 Stunden schrieb wlaidlaw: Correct. Do they (still) build planes or are just suppliers? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted November 23, 2021 Share #16444 Posted November 23, 2021 Parts suppliers as they always have been. Wilson Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted November 23, 2021 Share #16445 Posted November 23, 2021 vor 35 Minuten schrieb wlaidlaw: Parts suppliers as they always have been. Wilson Thanks, that I thought as I couldn´t find any airplane maker still in existance which fits 100% to this riddle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted November 23, 2021 Share #16446 Posted November 23, 2021 Hhhm, Hispano-Suiza had an own aviation and car production in France. They made Ballot cars too after they had purchased the Ballot factory. They still operate as aviation supply company in France. My only problem would be the engine size which started at 2 ltr. and I´d miss the name Ballot today which is Hispano-Suiza | SAFRAN-Group. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted November 23, 2021 Share #16447 Posted November 23, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) Keep trying 😀 They made other vehicles apart from these light cars. Wilson Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZach Posted November 23, 2021 Share #16448 Posted November 23, 2021 By scanning a list of “aircraft propeller manufacturers” you will find a company in Figeac, France that “from 1926 until 1930 it built a car with a 746 cc overhead camshaft engine” and later from 1959 until 1962 also motorcycles. Leaving the name open as do not have access to a suitable next picture now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted November 23, 2021 Share #16449 Posted November 23, 2021 Ahh - the rat-catcher, so to speak. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted November 23, 2021 Share #16450 Posted November 23, 2021 vor 29 Minuten schrieb AZach: By scanning a list of “aircraft propeller manufacturers” you will find a company in Figeac, France that “from 1926 until 1930 it built a car with a 746 cc overhead camshaft engine” and later from 1959 until 1962 also motorcycles. Leaving the name open as do not have access to a suitable next picture now. That´s it. I could only add the model name 6CV Torpedo, who will do the rest? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted November 23, 2021 Share #16451 Posted November 23, 2021 vor 8 Stunden schrieb wlaidlaw: I would not want to propel anyone in the wrong direction. Wilson HAHAHA! Wilson, I really missed that hint but stumbled over a vehicle (won´t call it "car" as it was a killer machine on road) they made in combination with their core business. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted November 23, 2021 Share #16452 Posted November 23, 2021 In 1967 I went to Le Mans as a signaller with the Maranello UK Team (Col. Ronnie Hoare). Just before the race, the team manager came in and asked if any of us spoke french. As I had previously spent a year in Switzerland, I volunteered along with another person who was reading French at university. We were asked if we would not mind helping out the Ecurie Francorchamps team as a lot of the team had got food poisoning from eating food from one of the hamburger stalls. During the middle of the night, the team very kindly sent us a full hot meal to our signalling station at the end of the Mulsanne Straight (in contrast to the Maranello folks who were sent dried up sandwiches). A couple of bored French CRS motorcycle cops, having scented out food, drifted over and asked if we had any to spare, which we did. I got talking to one of them and asked about his Ratier bike. He said it was a total death trap and he hated it in comparison to the Triumph 500 he had had before but De Gaulle had insisted they were replaced by French made bikes. I think they were made earlier than 1959, as they were apparently initially assembled from left over BMW parts from when Ratier had built BMW's for the German army during WW2. Ratier started in the late 19th century as a specialist woodworking company. In the early days of aviation, they were asked to make propellors and by the end of WW1, had become quite a large company, being the largest propellor maker in France. They still make propellors and are part of Collins Aerospace. https://www.ratier-figeac.com Their 6HP car was substantially better than many other French cyclecars with an overhead cam 746cc engine and the later ones had even front wheel brakes. Rather like the British Austin 7, it was a proper small car rather than a four wheeled motorcycle. They were used for competition quite extensively. A couple of Ratier mounted CRS police below. Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4319220'>More sharing options...
NigelG Posted November 23, 2021 Share #16453 Posted November 23, 2021 A very good puzzle car - my knowledge of obscure early 20C french car manufacturers, cycle-car minutiae, small engine designers and the early aerospace industry has definitely improved! The many rabbit-holes encountered were very enjoyable and the sheer quantity and breath of small manufacturers / start-ups (in modern parlance) around Paris et les environs, and then in "the rest" of France was very illuminating. Merci beaucoup pour cette délicieuse énigme! 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted November 24, 2021 Share #16454 Posted November 24, 2021 900+ french car brands is a number you have to manage 😉 I would like to share a pretty nice and informative link to Ratier´s early history. https://ratier.org/ Enjoy reading! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted November 24, 2021 Share #16455 Posted November 24, 2021 Some say Ratier was the first "professional" propeller maker in France. Nowadays working for Airbus (A380, A400M). I knew the car with the propeller (see my link) but didn´t know the riddle car. Was only checking the plane companies associated with car production I knew. Ratier´s history of non-aviation products shows the problem for such companies after wars when aviation production fells asleep. Happened to Ratier several times. They even produced electric bells, telephone equipment, bicycles and a Citroen kid car. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted November 24, 2021 Share #16456 Posted November 24, 2021 If you are into historic aviation, also check the wonderful PDFs published: <https://ratier.org/archives/catalogues/small/CoupeDeutsch1934_small.pdf> <https://ratier.org/archives/catalogues/small/CatSEEHRsmall.pdf> And many more. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZach Posted November 24, 2021 Share #16457 Posted November 24, 2021 And what can you experts tell about the car in Wilson’s picture in #16452? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted November 24, 2021 Share #16458 Posted November 24, 2021 Karmann Ghia - possibly with engine trouble? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Morgan Posted November 24, 2021 Share #16459 Posted November 24, 2021 7 hours ago, wlaidlaw said: I got talking to one of them and asked about his Ratier bike. He said it was a total death trap and he hated it in comparison to the Triumph 500 he had had before but De Gaulle had insisted they were replaced by French made bikes. I sold my Citroen SM to a French architect in Paris, who was also a Facel Vega owner and leading light in FV circles. He said that Facel had offered De Gaulle a presidential vehicle but it was declined as having an American engine. At least he was consistent! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hektor Posted November 24, 2021 Share #16460 Posted November 24, 2021 de Gaulle was also quite peverse. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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