New Leica M6 Film Camera

[Huss]

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3 minutes ago, adan said:

Au contraire. mon ami.

I laugh all the time when non-engineers try to do camera engineering. Funniest thing on the internet outside of UTube videos of dogs trying to chew toffee.

I'm not sure what Logan's profession is, but trying to mock him for mentioning zinc use, which is a material that Leica used before, by stating you are an engineer:

1. Shows you have no sense of humour as that was obviously tongue in cheek

2. Does not demonstrate your engineering prowess as Leica did use it before, even though the results were 'mixed' due to zinc bubbles. Which is the whole point of Logan mentioning it.

3. And let's be honest, is rude.

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[logan2z]

My little quip about the rumored M6 was clearly an attempt at levity which not everyone appreciated.  Let's put that aside and get back to discussing cameras, photography, and the rumor mill...

[Anbaric]

4 hours ago, a.noctilux said:

Why not top plate in aluminium alloy, I'm happy with my very light M262 since start, really tough, nothing to complain

That would probably send just the right message if they wanted to differentiate it further from the MP (and maybe even sell it at some minimally cheaper price), because Leica customers clearly think that brass is 'more premium' (or at least more shiny when the paint comes off).

Edited September 15, 2022 by Anbaric

[Huss]

I gotta be honest, I'll be really disappointed if after all this it is just a limited edition M6 with no functional changes that moves M film cameras forward.

And if it is a new Fuji Leica Instax, boy will I be pi$$ed! (not really it would just have saved me money)

[a.noctilux]

37 minutes ago, Anbaric said:

That would probably send just the right message if they wanted to differentiate it further from the MP (and maybe even sell it at some minimally cheaper price), because Leica customers clearly think that brass is 'more premium' (or at least more shiny when the paint comes off).

Thanks.

So my idea was not so stupid and easily doable.

Well I go ahead, then ...let's dream 😉.

Beside aluminium top plate, I suggest wind-on lever with plastic articulate tip, slanted rewind crank ...

To be short, new kind of M4-2 with aluminium top, and clear contrasty VF with why not  ... options for x0.58 (M4-5), 0.72 (M4-7) and 0.85 (M4-8).

To be modern and not costing much, the customer can choose rich colors leatherette 🍎🍏🍋🧣 ( free option or few dollars/Euros more ), with black as Standard ( no not my cup of T ? ).

 

Oh I'm dreaming of new colored "à la carte" M4-2 ...

[ianman]

1 hour ago, Huss said:

I gotta be honest, I'll be really disappointed if after all this it is just a limited edition M6 with no functional changes that moves M film cameras forward.

Aah, the big problem with forums, particularly this one it would seem. Info is leaked that a limited edition M6 is in the works… the forum goes into a frenzy, people loose sight of the original post and discuss/argue endlessly about what they know Leica should do in order to save the company from ruin… months later when it’s finally realised that it was all a dream and the original post becomes reality the discussion inevitably turns to disappointment. And thus the wheels of gas keep turning

 

[rtai]

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It’ll have to be profitable of course so making use of existing dies and tooling would make sense. The brass top plate can be outsourced to keep costs down. It’ll have to be brass and painted to satisfy the customer base. Since the M6 was zinc except for the ti which was just plated brass and a few limited editions a new brass top M6 would be something “new”.

[grahamc]

Yes the “revisions” I guess will be mostly in materials and also of course modern standards , eg the MP viewfinder . 
 

However I’m willing to revise my 1/4000 shutter speed Wishlist to 1/2000. Something nice and conservative in the spirit of progress 😁🙏🏻

Edited September 15, 2022 by grahamc

[a.noctilux]

🎞️🏴‍☠️

Sorry, I don't understand why I wrote those senseless posts.

I won't buy the new camera how attractive it will be, anyway.

 

Bored/boring Old Fart, I do have what I want/need for many years.

[grahamc]

1 hour ago, rtai said:

It’ll have to be profitable of course so making use of existing dies and tooling would make sense. The brass top plate can be outsourced to keep costs down. It’ll have to be brass and painted to satisfy the customer base. Since the M6 was zinc except for the ti which was just plated brass and a few limited editions a new brass top M6 would be something “new”.

Agree that it would be very nice in brass and let’s hope so  

Whether the titanium M6 classics were brass top plates was a source of much debate, my own opinion (and it is just that as the debate was extensive) after much research and articles read was that they weren’t.
 

The limited edition M6 TTL titanium though were certainly made of brass tops as they were produced in the same runs as the many varieties of TTL black paint special editions in and around y2000. (Millennium, Dragon, LHSA, NSH and a few more, + titanium).  Because that was beyond doubt I bought the Titan TTL as I was keen for a brass-topped camera. 
 

So agree a smaller shaped M6 classic with brass top would be attractive for many of us I think.  The only classic M6 edition I know of that was brass topped (for sure with no debate) is the M6J edition which doesn’t look like M6 

 

Edited September 15, 2022 by grahamc

[Huss]

I bet the majority of M6 owners think their cameras are made out of brass anyway.

And why wouldn’t they?

[grahamc]

7 minutes ago, Huss said:

I bet the majority of M6 owners think their cameras are made out of brass anyway.

And why wouldn’t they?

True. And as if anyone “really” cares, particularly not the majority 

[Huss]

1 minute ago, grahamc said:

True. And as if anyone “really” cares, particularly not the majority 

I have a few ‘brass’ Ms, and briefly used an M6.  Like my Ms,  I was impressed by how nice it felt to use. And that’s with me knowing It had zinc in it!

[grahamc]

2 minutes ago, Huss said:

I have a few ‘brass’ Ms, and briefly used an M6.  Like my Ms,  I was impressed by how nice it felt to use. And that’s with me knowing It had zinc in it!

Yes the only reason i was hunting a brass one was about avoiding for sure the risk of future zinc corrosion bubble.  But there were other things that I liked about the TTL at the time also. If not, an M6 that had not bubbled after 30 years would’ve also been fine !

[grahamc]

20 minutes ago, Huss said:

I bet the majority of M6 owners think their cameras are made out of brass anyway.

 

Yes I certainly hope the majority are not sitting on here chatting to us lot all day.  Heaven help them if they are ! They have more problems than zinc top plates 😂

[Anbaric]

If Leica can sell a version of the M10-R with glossy black paint that's intended to wear down to the brass sooner rather than later, how about an 'M6-Z' with zinc that is primed to bubble in months, and look like it has a hammertone finish in a couple of years?

[rtai]

I don’t think it’s a matter of preference for any particular material over another. There’s a rabid desire for black paint that Leica can charge so much more for one as in the M10R BP. Older black paint lenses have gone through the roof in prices. If the new camera is brass then more likely there will be a BP option. Users don’t care about zinc vs brass but they probably aren’t the ones willing to pay top dollar for a new cosmetic M6 anyway.

I was looking for used MPs on eBay and saw so many silver chrome version and not many BP ones. Same with online camera shops. Chrome MP bodies not as desirable as BP even though both are brass.

Edited September 16, 2022 by rtai

[Huss]

4 hours ago, Anbaric said:

If Leica can sell a version of the M10-R with glossy black paint that's intended to wear down to the brass sooner rather than later, how about an 'M6-Z' with zinc that is primed to bubble in months, and look like it has a hammertone finish in a couple of years?

The hammertone finish for me is the sexiest finish Leica ever offered.  I wonder why they never did it again?  I've seen repaints attempting it (Shueido etc) and while they look ok, not even close to Leica's finish.

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[AvidArchRivals]

On 9/14/2022 at 3:36 AM, Huss said:

Challenger to what/who?  Leica moved on from that in the 1950s..  And my gorgeous real 1F only costs $500.

People noticed that focus aids on a camera can be useful.

Challenger in the space of all-metal, mechanical, high-end interchangeable lens film cameras. They may start with that simple barnack, then move on to rangefinders.

Edited September 16, 2022 by AvidArchRivals

[jakontil]

15 hours ago, a.noctilux said:

Thanks.

So my idea was not so stupid and easily doable.

Well I go ahead, then ...let's dream 😉.

Beside aluminium top plate, I suggest wind-on lever with plastic articulate tip, slanted rewind crank ...

To be short, new kind of M4-2 with aluminium top, and clear contrasty VF with why not  ... options for x0.58 (M4-5), 0.72 (M4-7) and 0.85 (M4-8).

To be modern and not costing much, the customer can choose rich colors leatherette 🍎🍏🍋🧣 ( free option or few dollars/Euros more ), with black as Standard ( no not my cup of T ? ).

 

Oh I'm dreaming of new colored "à la carte" M4-2 ...

Would that be doable without the baseplate too?