My new M11 is bricked... Leica Spain

[lct]

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34 minutes ago, Chimichurri said:

It’s enough already. I asked you to stop this insanity. Just stop replying to me. Let it go. 

There is an ignore feature for that. I don't like it much personally. I prefer replying if i can although i must say that your tone is not encouraging to say the least. 

[LUF Admin]

41 minutes ago, Chimichurri said:

It’s enough already. I asked you to stop this insanity. Just stop replying to me. Let it go. 

I stopped the insanity by banning this account – which is another incarnation of a member already banned for several times.

Bye

[LocalHero1953]

Just now, LUF Admin said:

I stopped the insanity by banning this account – which is another incarnation of a member already banned for several times.

Bye

I was beginning to wonder .... but there was no mention of Sony colours

[jakontil]

3 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said:

I was beginning to wonder .... but there was no mention of Sony colours

But his persistence so similar

well.. now the M11 might rest in peace, i mean the thread

[Qlan]

3 hours ago, SrMi said:

I can also barely see 35mm with my glasses in the rangefinder, and I use Visoflex for anything wider than 35mm. 
The Visoflex may be a better solution than an integrated EVF: the view is likely larger than an integrated would be (the size of the rangefinder), and it tilts.
What do you dislike about the Visoflex solution? If you integrate EVF, there is no space for optical RF. At current state of technology, a hybrid solution seems not to be possible (rangefinder quality issues).

I got into the Leica ecosystem because I wanted top image quality AND very compact form factor. I also use a thumb grip. The Visoflex is quite bulky and with it mounted, the camera won't fit in my (very compact) bag. Also I won't be able to use the thumb grip. I'll probably end up getting the Visoflex at some point but I can live without for now. But if I can only choose one between an EVF and IBIS, I would definitely choose IBIS.

Edited November 18, 2022 by Qlan

[SrMi]

42 minutes ago, Qlan said:

I got into the Leica ecosystem because I wanted top image quality AND very compact form factor. I also use a thumb grip. The Visoflex is quite bulky and with it mounted, the camera won't fit in my (very compact) bag. Also I won't be able to use the thumb grip. I'll probably end up getting the Visoflex at some point but I can live without for now. But if I can only choose one between an EVF and IBIS, I would definitely choose IBIS.

The M11, with a mounted Visoflex, feels less nice than an M camera alone. However, it is still quite compact.
FWIW, the M11 with mounted Visoflex (+2 lenses) fits nicely in the small PeakDesign Everyday Sling 6L.

[DenverSteve]

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3 hours ago, Qlan said:

I got into the Leica ecosystem because I wanted top image quality AND very compact form factor. I also use a thumb grip. The Visoflex is quite bulky and with it mounted, the camera won't fit in my (very compact) bag. Also I won't be able to use the thumb grip....

You're going to need a bigger bag........... 😉

[Alistairm]

Interesting, I was thrilled with the improved Visoflex for the M11 and it drew me back to the M as my main camera system (away from the SL). Yet oddly, since being drawn back in I’m hardly using the Viso and 99% of the time sticking to the rangefinder! Nonetheless, it’s very nice to have the option. 

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4 hours ago, Qlan said:

I got into the Leica ecosystem because I wanted top image quality AND very compact form factor. I also use a thumb grip. The Visoflex is quite bulky and with it mounted, the camera won't fit in my (very compact) bag. Also I won't be able to use the thumb grip.

Was a concern to me as i need a thumb rest with digital Ms and i'm wary of adhesive accessories but i ended up buying a Thumbie and it works fine on the M11 i must say. Only cons its black paint peels off so easily that i ended up removing it completely. Ugliness is in the eye...

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[jakontil]

2 hours ago, lct said:

Was a concern to me as i need a thumb rest with digital Ms and i'm wary of adhesive accessories but i ended up buying a Thumbie and it works fine on the M11 i must say. Only cons its black paint peels off so easily that i ended up removing it completely. Ugliness is in the eye...

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I used to have the thumbie, but somehow it wasnt felt solid? Like shaky the least so back with thumbs up

the visoflex 2 is great, love its squerish compared to viso 020, bought purposely to replace the latter now use on m10 r when needed

[Photoworks]

11 hours ago, jakontil said:

I used to have the thumbie, but somehow it wasnt felt solid? Like shaky the least so back with thumbs up

the visoflex 2 is great, love its squerish compared to viso 020, bought purposely to replace the latter now use on m10 r when needed

I use the Thumbie on M11 for a few months, maybe I didn't apply the glue 3M correctly I was moving more then when I had it on M10p.

I was worried about the right pit scratching the M11 paint, but when I took it off and cleaned the glue the M11 was clean with no rubbing or scratcher.

I don't have any more glue strips to try again.

[jakontil]

2 minutes ago, Photoworks said:

I use the Thumbie on M11 for a few months, maybe I didn't apply the glue 3M correctly I was moving more then when I had it on M10p.

I was worried about the right pit scratching the M11 paint, but when I took it off and cleaned the glue the M11 was clean with no rubbing or scratcher.

I don't have any more glue strips to try again.

Now i remember, the place i live is humid, somehow effects the glue

nice though if we have a built in thumb grip like m10d to keep the hotshoe free

[lct]

28 minutes ago, jakontil said:

nice though if we have a built in thumb grip like m10d to keep the hotshoe free

Never tried it. Does it work like that of the M3 DS? Just curious.

[jakontil]

7 minutes ago, lct said:

Never tried it. Does it work like that of the M3 DS? Just curious.

Yeah half cocked, nothing more just to lean the thumb against it

[jaapv]

On 11/19/2022 at 2:55 PM, Photoworks said:

I use the Thumbie on M11 for a few months, maybe I didn't apply the glue 3M correctly I was moving more then when I had it on M10p.

I was worried about the right pit scratching the M11 paint, but when I took it off and cleaned the glue the M11 was clean with no rubbing or scratcher.

I don't have any more glue strips to try again.

You can buy it all over the place. It is the 3M stuff that is used to stick car badges on. 

[lct]

My China made batteries would work fine with UHS-I but not UHS-II cards then? Reminds me of card issues on my M240. Startup times depending on card formats, fast with old SD cards but sluggish with SDHC ones. I don't want to sound negative but i keep the same feeling since the seventies more or less. Great optics, brilliant mechanics but mediocre electronics. Leica were helped by Japanese brands in the past and still are today, but for the M system seems like they want to go it alone like the big boys. One can see the result. Genius cameras handicapped by electronic shortcomings. Suffice it to look at the amateurish Leica website to guess where the problem may come from. Ask for help in areas you are not good at, guys, there's no shame in that. End of rant and merry Xmas to all 🎅.

Edited December 24, 2022 by lct

[charlesphoto99]

I've said this before, but imo it has nothing (or very little) to do with the type of cards used. It's most likely the hardware and/or firmware getting overclocked and going into a loop. It's under provisioned. For example, startup times moving on from the M9 should only be getting quicker, not longer. Imagine if Nikon released the Z9 and the startup time was two seconds instead of their typical instantaneous start. It would be the first thing everybody would talk about. Leica wanted to throw the kitchen sink into the M11 (and some users want even more, the bathroom sink as well). For me, the only thing that would have me considering the M11 over M10-R would be an instant start time, and Leica went backwards on that one instead. 

So if it's truly under powered, then any number of function combos could trip it up, not just cards - and some users maybe never. And that could be really really difficult, if not impossible, to debug

Edited December 24, 2022 by charlesphoto99

[elmars]

You are absolutely right with startup time. But You can handle it quite good by setting the camera to 30 or 60 min before going in sleeping mode. The battery is good enough for this. 

[lct]

12 hours ago, charlesphoto99 said:

I've said this before, but imo it has nothing (or very little) to do with the type of cards used. [...]

Then how do you explain that startup times take 1s with old SD cards vs 2s with  SDHC ones on the M240 while they remain the same with any card (1s) on my M8.2?  The M11 does no better nor worse than the M240 from this viewpoint.

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[Qlan]

34 minutes ago, lct said:

Then how do you explain that startup times take 1s with old SD cards vs 2s with  SDHC ones on the M240 while they remain the same with any card (1s) on my M8.2?  The M11 does no better nor worse than the M240 from this viewpoint.

Well, I use Sandisk UHS-I and have plenty of freezes. And freezes also when I only use the internal memory. So no, the memory card is not the only source of freezes or brickage. The M11 has many faults. Once I’m back from vacation (where I’m taking amazing pictures with thw M11 despite about 2-5 freezes a day), I’ll try to exchange it for a new one and will report back.