My new M11 is bricked... Leica Spain

[Antonio Russell]

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I can happily report that UHS-II cards are not an issue. Have been using one in my replacement m11 without issue. The latest firmware also seems to be stable. 

[jakontil]

3 hours ago, Musky said:

No this is for the constant orange light of death or red light or death issue. Not lock ups. This camera is beyond just lockups. I’ve read the M11 batteries “feel cheap”. The Indonesia batteries of the M10 are solid. So I don’t know what’s going on here. They should own it and like the original Q, just use a battery that proudly says PANASONIC on it. They make solid stuff.   

Batteries aren’t easy things to make. It almost killed Samsung that f-up with the batteries  

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Im sorry but more reported battery on m10 at least compared to m240… wish i was wrong since i rely on 3 of them right now.. hope they would still last 

[hmzimelka]

7 hours ago, Musky said:

No this is for the constant orange light of death or red light or death issue. Not lock ups. This camera is beyond just lockups. I’ve read the M11 batteries “feel cheap”. The Indonesia batteries of the M10 are solid. So I don’t know what’s going on here. They should own it and like the original Q, just use a battery that proudly says PANASONIC on it. They make solid stuff.   

Batteries aren’t easy things to make. It almost killed Samsung that f-up with the batteries  

Do you have an M11 because reading your above post it seems you don't... One cannot feel "chemistry" and judge the quality of it by holding a battery cladded in a plastic shell. I cannot fault the M11 batteries that I have. They might feel light relative to the size of the battery, but that is no indication of quality. It's the same example of someone picking up a brass lens and ooohing and aaaahing the build quality is amazing. Haptics and quality are not synonymous. 

Unless I can read a report where where someone actually does physical measurements on power, power draw, charging, etc on the M11 batteries, I won't bother with judging its made in China label based on some prejudiced reasoning. No one so far has even opened one to see what cells are inside!

Edited December 26, 2022 by hmzimelka

[hmzimelka]

24 minutes ago, Musky said:

Not quite what you said here. But okay. Im just agreeing with you that it may be a contributor for the reasons you just mentioned on the other thread of many threads of this M11 not working right.

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What I said was batteries can be a contributor too. They should not be ruled out from the equation where only as cards are currently considered culprits. 
 

Above, I said I don't have any issues with my batteries as they have given no indication with charging issues as a few users have had. 

I also said that without definitive testing one can't make a claim that M11 batteries are bad because of the fact they are made in China. 
 

Your comment on battery quality based on how they feel and where they are made carries little merit unless you can provide data of M11 battery tests. 
 

Not including batteries as possible culprit to freezing is not objective diagnosis. However, it's easier for most people to swap SD cards than batteries. Even good batteries can be faulty. 

[lct]

5 hours ago, hmzimelka said:

Unless I can read a report where where someone actually does physical measurements on power, power draw, charging, etc on the M11 batteries, I won't bother with judging its made in China label based on some prejudiced reasoning.

+1

[hmzimelka]

1 hour ago, Musky said:

I agree. There are so many of these bricked red light of death M11’s that I wonder if some of the batteries have issues. I just wonder who is making their batteries. I would rather they said Panasonic on them. Maybe they wouldn’t have this problem. I’m just speculating. But who knows what it is. The Chinese battery is an easy target.

Yes, China is a very easy target for criticism...

 

[elmars]

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May battery is made by Fuji 😱😱😱 in China. 

[lct]

Leica is not a battery manufacturer but it is responsible for the batteries it sells under its name. Leica has no obligation whatsoever to disclose the names of its subcontractors. Same for lenses that carry the Leica name but are not manufactured by Leica. There is nothing new in this.

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[DenverSteve]

I hear a lot of repeated internet jabber about "all these bricked M11s".  I wish some of the repeated nonsense would either be corroborated or silenced.  I have heard of a few, mostly from the release period.  Since firmware upgrades have occurred, the the updates installed, I would like to hear from anyone who has had a bricked camera.  I've not had a single issue with mine, and I don't know anyone (and of course I don't know that many M11 users because there just aren't that many) who has had an issue.  If YOU have had a bricked camera that was frozen and not able to be returned immediately to proper usage, please post up and provide your serial number. You can, if you're a nervous interneter leave off the last number.  However I would like to see if any of these bricked issues are due to a small batch w/ internal issues, or a greater problem.  This entire thread has been a constant source of innuendo and regurgitated lore from third-source, at best, anecdotes. 

[MrPaulK]

One problem is people misuse the term “bricked”. Or perhaps we can say its meaning has shifted. Many people seem to use it just for a freeze now. 

[Antonio Russell]

I think the issue has been widely discussed and accredited. In my case Leica Spain eventually did the right thing and replaced the camera. The new firmware seems to much more stable so far. I am happy for the mods to close this thread if they see fit as my original reason for opening it has been addressed and am happy to report that the M11 is a stonking great camera now that all is working as it should.

[Kiwimac]

Excellent batteries are made in Japan. Probably by Panasonic. Who Leica work with. 
 

Wonder why the batteries aren’t Japanese?

[lct]

2 hours ago, Kiwimac said:

Excellent batteries are made in Japan. Probably by Panasonic. Who Leica work with. 

Wonder why the batteries aren’t Japanese?

I have Panasonic batteries made in China as well. Not sure what difference it may make actually.

[Kiwimac]

None other than perceived quality. 
 

Eneloop rechargeable batteries are my go to solution for normal batteries and they’re Japanese. 
 

Best camera battery I ever had was my Nikon D3s. I’d get 2500 shots out of a charge. 

[Antonio Russell]

On arrival back home yesterday from a shoot, I switched on my camera to review images on the back screen... and nothing. RLOD. Turned it off. RLOD. Had to pull the battery and reboot. Just a scare. The camera turned on and was back to normal. I think there is something seruiously wrong with the M11 as a platform.

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[jakontil]

4 hours ago, Antonio Russell said:

On arrival back home yesterday from a shoot, I switched on my camera to review images on the back screen... and nothing. RLOD. Turned it off. RLOD. Had to pull the battery and reboot. Just a scare. The camera turned on and was back to normal. I think there is something seruiously wrong with the M11 as a platform.

This is considered freezes, well once it works by pulling the battery out, it’s still oke.. as long as it powered back on, this is what has been happening, only less frequent since the latest updates which allegedly fix it

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[Qlan]

1 minute ago, jakontil said:

This is considered freezes, well once it works by pulling the battery out, it’s still oke.. as long as it powered back on, this is what has been happening, only less frequent since the latest updates which allegedly fix it

Yes, it’s infinitely less severe than getting bricked but OP’s right, there’s too many bugs on the M11. And the latest firmware doesn’t allegedly fix it, just one (or some) causes of freezes, but there are still many others.

People have been saying that freezes are affecting a minority of cameras, but I feel like it’s affecting the majority (to different extent). We have so many examples of people getting freezes on their 2nd or 3rd body.

I just sent back my own M11 and waiting for the replacement but I’m not optimistic. 

[jakontil]

34 minutes ago, Qlan said:

Yes, it’s infinitely less severe than getting bricked but OP’s right, there’s too many bugs on the M11. And the latest firmware doesn’t allegedly fix it, just one (or some) causes of freezes, but there are still many others.

People have been saying that freezes are affecting a minority of cameras, but I feel like it’s affecting the majority (to different extent). We have so many examples of people getting freezes on their 2nd or 3rd body.

I just sent back my own M11 and waiting for the replacement but I’m not optimistic. 

Yeah dont expect too much, you’d be disappointed and i agree with OP’s claim something seriously wrong at the moment with m11 platform.. but i see improvements over previous firmware.. at least it’s a progress… and bear in mind, each m11 seemed to develop different if not no issues at all.. so yeah keep finger crossed it got better over time with fix n updates

[charlesphoto99]

Perhaps Leica lost the baseplate so one can do quicker battery resets…. (sarcasm). 

 

[lldd]

On 12/26/2022 at 5:18 PM, DenverSteve said:

I hear a lot of repeated internet jabber about "all these bricked M11s".  I wish some of the repeated nonsense would either be corroborated or silenced.  I have heard of a few, mostly from the release period.  Since firmware upgrades have occurred, the the updates installed, I would like to hear from anyone who has had a bricked camera.  I've not had a single issue with mine, and I don't know anyone (and of course I don't know that many M11 users because there just aren't that many) who has had an issue.  If YOU have had a bricked camera that was frozen and not able to be returned immediately to proper usage, please post up and provide your serial number. You can, if you're a nervous interneter leave off the last number.  However I would like to see if any of these bricked issues are due to a small batch w/ internal issues, or a greater problem.  This entire thread has been a constant source of innuendo and regurgitated lore from third-source, at best, anecdotes. 

There is a 58 page (and still growing) thread on this and other issues near the top of the M11 section on this forum.  Issue continues to this day, even after the latest firmware (1.61) designed to resolve the issue.