hdmesa Posted June 13, 2022 Share #81 Posted June 13, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) Not sure we want a digitally-simulated shutter sound because that would mean adding a speaker to the M. Maybe Leica could design a simple mechanical device that emulated the shutter sound instead. 1 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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M11 for me Posted June 13, 2022 Share #82 Posted June 13, 2022 (edited) vor 7 Minuten schrieb hdmesa: Not sure we want a digitally-simulated shutter sound because that would mean adding a speaker to the M. Maybe Leica could design a simple mechanical device that emulated the shutter sound instead. And leave away the IBIS as the space would be needed for mechanical shutter. A mechanical shutter just for sound would be a real innovation. Edited June 13, 2022 by M11 for me Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted June 13, 2022 Share #83 Posted June 13, 2022 Just now, M11 for me said: And leave away the IBIS. A mechanical shutter just for sound would be a real innovation. Resistance is futile, and IBIS will assimilate us all. I don't care much either way, but what I don't want is another M with a mechanical shutter as clunky-sounding as the M11. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted June 13, 2022 Share #84 Posted June 13, 2022 But what do you win when the M12 has a purely el shutter BUT the shutter to emulate the shutter noise is the shutter of the M11? 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted June 13, 2022 Share #85 Posted June 13, 2022 10 minutes ago, M11 for me said: But what do you win when the M12 has a purely el shutter BUT the shutter to emulate the shutter noise is the shutter of the M11? No sane engineer at Leica would use the M11 mechanical shutter as a template. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikelevitt Posted June 14, 2022 Share #86 Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) On 6/10/2022 at 5:03 PM, jaapv said: Total and utter bollocks. It is focus aid like any other and quite useful within its limitations as long as the photographer takes the trouble to learn to use it. Obviously it is completely irrelevant for an optical focus system. It's not very precise... Edited June 14, 2022 by mikelevitt Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 14, 2022 Share #87 Posted June 14, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) Just now, mikelevitt said: It's not very precise... That depends - it is a contrast system that depends both on the lens and the subject. If implemented badly (Sony!) it is near to useless. I prefer to use it with magnification, which makes it extremely precise. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
signandsight Posted June 14, 2022 Share #88 Posted June 14, 2022 On 6/10/2022 at 11:21 AM, Anbaric said: <INNOCENTLY>Rangefinders are pretty obsolete too. The M12 just needs a built-in EVF with focus peaking...</INNOCENTLY> "M stands for rangefinder" — Leica. If you want an EVF buy an SL. How could you build an M camera with only an EVF/ both built in? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted June 14, 2022 Share #89 Posted June 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, mikelevitt said: It's not very precise... Focus peaking can be very precise if you use longer focal lengths and focus wide open. It does not work well for wide-angles and focusing at small apertures. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anbaric Posted June 14, 2022 Share #90 Posted June 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, signandsight said: "M stands for rangefinder" — Leica. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/333370-m12-will-be-more-boring/?do=findComment&comment=4454089'>More sharing options...
Anbaric Posted June 14, 2022 Share #91 Posted June 14, 2022 (edited) 22 hours ago, hdmesa said: Not sure we want a digitally-simulated shutter sound because that would mean adding a speaker to the M. Maybe Leica could design a simple mechanical device that emulated the shutter sound instead. How about this - Leica projects a recording of the M3 shutter sound through a directional speaker in place of the RF window and uses it to focus by sonar: Edited June 14, 2022 by Anbaric Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted June 14, 2022 Share #92 Posted June 14, 2022 7 minutes ago, Anbaric said: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Ausnahme bestätigt die Regel . Stefan Daniel's quote: "M stands for rangefinder – and as long as I have something to say about Leica, it will have a range finder. " 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 14, 2022 Share #93 Posted June 14, 2022 MD, MDa and MD-2 had no rangefinder either. No window at all here. Ready to receive a built-in EVF . Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/333370-m12-will-be-more-boring/?do=findComment&comment=4454100'>More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted June 14, 2022 Share #94 Posted June 14, 2022 Well, by my reckoning, Leica still have 20 letters of the alphabet to work with in order to designate a new camera model, so why not an M with an EVF? Personally, I'll take an M that is also a keychain, wallet, eyeglass holder, and phone. It would simplify my life greatly. 😆 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf_ZG Posted June 14, 2022 Share #95 Posted June 14, 2022 1 hour ago, charlesphoto99 said: Well, by my reckoning, Leica still have 20 letters of the alphabet to work with in order to designate a new camera model, so why not an M with an EVF? In my country we even have more than 26 letters, so let Leica have a go 😇 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted June 14, 2022 Share #96 Posted June 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Olaf_ZG said: In my country we even have more than 26 letters, so let Leica have a go 😇 Anything over 26 is a waste. 😃 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted June 14, 2022 Share #97 Posted June 14, 2022 1 hour ago, jdlaing said: Anything over 26 is a waste. 😃 The fewer letters, the more challenging the pronunciation. There would be no spelling bee championships if English had enough letters :). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WvE Posted June 15, 2022 Share #98 Posted June 15, 2022 I sincerely hope I'm wrong but my feeling is that the Messsucher is a dying concept. An M with EVF makes no sense. Autofocus has become a real joy. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 15, 2022 Share #99 Posted June 15, 2022 2 hours ago, WvE said: I sincerely hope I'm wrong but my feeling is that the Messsucher is a dying concept. An M with EVF makes no sense. Autofocus has become a real joy. There is no shame to prefer AF but M cameras and lenses are manual and will remain so as long as there are people willing to pay for them. As for ""dying concept" i have been hearing this since the seventies and you can see the result half a century later. EVF-M making no sense for you does't mean that it makes no sense for everybody else BTW. This has been discussed at length on this forum. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakontil Posted June 15, 2022 Share #100 Posted June 15, 2022 M wont die away, people will be intrigued to learn focus manually so as to look cool 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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