Ouroboros Posted June 15, 2022 Share #101 Posted June 15, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) I 22 minutes ago, jakontil said: M wont die away, people will be intrigued to learn focus manually so as to look cool I've been wondering why I've spent so much money over the years on Leica M cameras and lenses. Now I know. Thanks for the heads up. 1 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jakontil Posted June 15, 2022 Share #102 Posted June 15, 2022 Just now, Ouroboros said: I I've been wondering why I've spent so much money over the years on Leica M cameras and lenses. Now I know. Thanks for the heads up. Don’t mention it… i feel it too Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WvE Posted June 15, 2022 Share #103 Posted June 15, 2022 4 hours ago, lct said: There is no shame to prefer AF but M cameras and lenses are manual and will remain so as long as there are people willing to pay for them. As for ""dying concept" i have been hearing this since the seventies and you can see the result half a century later. EVF-M making no sense for you does't mean that it makes no sense for everybody else BTW. This has been discussed at length on this forum. I sincerely hope you're right but it's my feeling that newer generations will opt for EFV and autofocus. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mujk Posted June 15, 2022 Share #104 Posted June 15, 2022 23 hours ago, lct said: MD, MDa and MD-2 had no rangefinder either. No window at all here. Ready to receive a built-in EVF . Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! A film M with an EVF! That would be quite a unique concept. Of course there is no imaging sensor in a film camera to feed the EVF, so there would either need to be a small sensor for the EVF hidden away somewhere on the front (fake rangefinder window?) or a larger one on a swinging arm (M5 or CL style) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Prime Posted June 15, 2022 Share #105 Posted June 15, 2022 I must be strange. I want a mechanical shutter that I have to wind on with a film advance lever, I want to hear the sound when the shutter is released. It's a very important differentiating feature of my M cameras compared with others that I've used. I'd likely buy a digital M if it retained the mechanical shutter, cocked with a film wind on lever but with a digital sensor for the image capture. I'd also be quite satisfied if it had an EVF based 'rangefinder' which adjusted it's FOV to suit the focal length of the lens, worked in lowish light, had a long eye point for my glasses and was the only display option for re-play (no ugly LCD on the back). And I want it to be an M, not an L-mount. In fact, if Leica made a camera like this you'd hear the sonic boom as my credit card left the confines of my wallet..... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted June 15, 2022 Share #106 Posted June 15, 2022 4 hours ago, WvE said: I sincerely hope you're right but it's my feeling that newer generations will opt for EFV and autofocus. Autofocus? Don’t be daft! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeleElmar135mm Posted June 15, 2022 Share #107 Posted June 15, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) In Star Trek Voyager the Doctor has a holographic camera - but the pictures were not the "yellow of the egg" so the crew and slept away during the slideshow. Hmm sounds familiar to me. I stay with my M 262 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
setuporg Posted June 16, 2022 Author Share #108 Posted June 16, 2022 17 hours ago, WvE said: I sincerely hope you're right but it's my feeling that newer generations will opt for EFV and autofocus. Electric eFfin' Vehicle too?! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted June 21, 2022 Share #109 Posted June 21, 2022 (edited) JMHO, but I think it would be really great if people would let digital M cameras actually be M cameras and quit trying to wish them into being a Sony a1 with a Leica logo on the front. Quote Electric eFfin' Vehicle too?! Hey, there's nothing wrong with electric vehicles - people have no damn business driving more than 12 miles a day. 😁 Edited June 21, 2022 by Herr Barnack 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwesi Posted June 22, 2022 Share #110 Posted June 22, 2022 On 6/21/2022 at 11:25 AM, Herr Barnack said: JMHO, but I think it would be really great if people would let digital M cameras actually be M cameras and quit trying to wish them into being a Sony a1 with a Leica logo on the front. I couldn't agree more. The good news is that Leica is doing well enough to attract users from other brands. The bad news is that a lot of these users want the Leica prestige with the PHD features in whatever brand they are currently using. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravinj Posted June 23, 2022 Share #111 Posted June 23, 2022 M12 will be so boring it will come with complimentary tickets to Cirque Du Soleil to make up for the boring 🪴 experience. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
V23 Posted June 27, 2022 Share #112 Posted June 27, 2022 On 6/11/2022 at 4:22 AM, M11 for me said: focus peaking is b...sh.. Focus peaking allows accurate focus in comparison to outdated rangefinder, it is bit like navigating by compass or GPS. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted June 27, 2022 Share #113 Posted June 27, 2022 12 minutes ago, V23 said: Focus peaking allows accurate focus in comparison to outdated rangefinder, it is bit like navigating by compass or GPS. When shooting wide angles, I always use rangefinder to focus, focus peaking or magnification alone is not precise enough for me (too much DOF). 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted June 28, 2022 Share #114 Posted June 28, 2022 3 hours ago, V23 said: Focus peaking allows accurate focus in comparison to outdated rangefinder, it is bit like navigating by compass or GPS. Not so much … 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikep996 Posted June 30, 2022 Share #115 Posted June 30, 2022 "When shooting wide angles, I always use rangefinder to focus, focus peaking or magnification alone is not precise enough for me (too much DOF)." I find the opposite - focus peaking is much more accurate than the RF if I need precise focus. That being said, I hardly ever use focus peaking though, curiously, the other day, while out shooting, the rangefinder could not establish focus for this pic; focus peaking did. Shot was from around 50 feet away through balustrade with 90mm lens. (heavily cropped from original.) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/333370-m12-will-be-more-boring/?do=findComment&comment=4462704'>More sharing options...
harmen Posted July 2, 2022 Share #116 Posted July 2, 2022 You probably would have been fine with the rangefinder if you had rotated the camera 90 degrees. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted July 2, 2022 Share #117 Posted July 2, 2022 On 6/27/2022 at 7:12 PM, V23 said: Focus peaking allows accurate focus in comparison to outdated rangefinder, it is bit like navigating by compass or GPS. focus peaking is far from perfect. Often nothing show up on noctilux lenses, or not enough . sometime one edge show in reg just because it has high contrast. When you use a wide-angle lens it becomes a red field and I don't know what you image was. when taking portraits the eyes peaking goes on and you can see there she is looking or if she is blinking. If the Visoflex 2 had the resolution of SL2 I could focus without any of the red ants working around. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmzimelka Posted July 2, 2022 Share #118 Posted July 2, 2022 (edited) For me focus peaking has been frustrating and messy to use, and most importantly, not accurate. Not at wide apertures and not stopped down. I achieve faster and more accurate focusing, whether it's on the Nikon DSLR focus screens, Nikon Z EVF and now Leica Rangefinder. Its a feature that works so poorly for me across various systems that I end up questioning myself, since it's popularity online is evident. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Edited July 2, 2022 by hmzimelka 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted July 2, 2022 Share #119 Posted July 2, 2022 Focus peaking is not made to nail focus IMHO. The way i use it, at least, it is the only focusing aid allowing to see at a glance what parts of the image stand within or outside the zone of acceptable sharpness without having to recompose or compensate for field curvature or focus shift. YMMV. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted July 2, 2022 Share #120 Posted July 2, 2022 Focus peaking on the M11 with the Visoflex 2 zoomed in all the way works extremely well wide open if and only if I'm using a modern, well-corrected, high-contrast lens – 28 Lux, CV APO, etc. But it's just as easy to focus without peaking at that magnification, so why bother having the view compromised with the red color all over the frame? The rangefinder (if perfectly calibrated) is still my favorite focusing tool, especially for stopped down shooting. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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