Survey: Are you planning to buy the new Leica M11?

[V23]

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1 hour ago, SrMi said:

So, it would be the same as SL2-S,  just a bit smaller,  a bit lighter, a bit cheaper, but would not support the great L-mount lenses, and will not have AF? If such an M would be on the market, I would buy SL2-S instead.

It would be M BODY, M mount, EVF, IBIS, no video. Not in SL body SL2-s is great as is.

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[M Journey]

1 hour ago, V23 said:

 

It would be M BODY, M mount, EVF, IBIS, no video. Not in SL body SL2-s is great as is.

Sony put a a7x series camera into a A6xx body,  making the A7c.  I think some people want a SL in M type body.  I would keep it L mount native so you can use both L and m lenses (with adaptor).  Tweak the sensor so it is maximized for m lenses.  I would buy such a body.  That would allow me to use m lenses when I want to be discreet and L lenses when I want autofocus.  A camera like this would get me to convert completely to the Leica ecosystem.  I don’t shoot birds so the lack of super tele lenses on L mount doesn’t bother me.

A lot of people say this is just a full frame CL.  I think this is a super-premium full frame CL.  Hell, they can call it the ML.  Go ahead Leica, I won’t sue…

Edited January 23, 2022 by M Journey
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[Jeff S]

Reminds me of this 4 year old discussion, that went nowhere…

Jeff

[Chaemono]

I wouldn’t say it went nowhere. We got a couple of watches instead. 

[Tailwagger]

5 hours ago, Chaemono said:

I wouldn’t say it went nowhere. We got a couple of watches instead. 

Which clearly was a thinly disguised message to the Mevf faithful... "have patience, it's merely a matter of time."

[charlesphoto99]

On 1/22/2022 at 3:54 AM, ynp said:

 but it’s substantially lighter than my M10-r. Super comfortable with my Konica 35 uc. But the weight advantage of the camera is not enough for me to swap my 10-r for the new m11. 

Best to just add a few more pushups to your exercise regime. And it's free! 

[SrMi]

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12 hours ago, V23 said:

 

It would be M BODY, M mount, EVF, IBIS, no video. Not in SL body SL2-s is great as is.

IMO, such a camera should be part of the SL line, not the M line, 

[IkarusJohn]

58 minutes ago, SrMi said:

IMO, such a camera should be part of the SL line, not the M line, 

IMO, that would be pointless.

By proposing a smaller, lighter SL, Leica would hardly be filling a gap.  The SL cameras are full frame, full functioning system cameras, with fabulous lenses with none of the compromises to size and weight inherent in the M mount.  Conversely, the M mount constrains almost everything about the M camera - that is the point.  The lenses are manual, small, light and designed to be the best they can be without electronic or software enhancement, and the cameras are limited to manual control of still photography.

While the L mount cameras are M lens compatible, the reverse is not true.  Making a smaller, lighter L mount actually doesn’t fill the gap of an M mount camera with an EVF built in.  It doesn’t need to be anything but that - an M mount camera, but with the OVF replaced with an EVF.  That is the point.

 

[graphlex]

An EVF-only M would enable competing lens manufacturers to develop a market for M lenses without rangefinder coupling. Leica itself surely would want to discourage that. 

[IkarusJohn]

2 minutes ago, graphlex said:

An EVF-only M would enable competing lens manufacturers to develop a market for M lenses without rangefinder coupling. Leica itself surely would want to discourage that. 

Some do that already - Zeiss Distagon 15/2.8 ZM.  Apart from Chinese knock-offs, other makers of M mount lenses have struggled; I doubt it’s the RF coupling which has been the problem …

[lct]

3 hours ago, SrMi said:

IMO, such a camera should be part of the SL line, not the M line, 

Thanks no thanks for smeared corners with M wides and no L-mount camera can manage to trigger auto focus magnification with M lenses. I thought i were alone to ask for an M-mount mirrorless a couple years ago. Now i'm glad to see that we are a bit more than two or three . 

Edited January 23, 2022 by lct

[SrMi]

Just now, lct said:

Thanks no thanks for smeared corners with M wides and no L-mount base camera can manage to trigger auto focus magnification. I thought i were alone to ask for an M-mount mirrorless a couple years ago. Now i'm glad to see that we are a bit more than two or three . 

All M cameras are mirrorless :).

What you want is a an EVF-only camera, with M mount. 

[lct]

1 minute ago, SrMi said:

All M cameras are mirrorless :).

What you want is a an EVF-only camera, with M mount. 

I'd prefer an M-mount EVF-only camera but I could think about your idea .

[Dennis]

I just came back home from an assignment for a regional travel magazine. Five days among oasis, desert islands, and beautiful landscapes. From sunrise to sunset. Never shoot in dark environments, except a few random photos. I bring my M10 + CV 21/4 + CV 35/1.2III + 35 Cron (asph I) + 50 Cron (v5)... Four lenses, two batteries, and 256GB are available. I guess I used about 92% OVF. It was my first time (professionally) ever with only an M system. I used Q2M and M10 for one day, once. And many times Dslr + M10... But only M10 (I mean one body, that's it), one card slot, and two batteries only, it was the first time. I must say, the camera did an amazing job; I'm grateful and thrilled I relied on my M10. Today culling, soon I will share my faves!

M10 nailed it, professionally speaking. If only I had two extra batteries and another body, I would have made things easier and probably, got more compelling photos (having two bodies with two lenses attached). The conditions, I would say, were challenging. Ocean water, boats, 4x4 roads, dust, dirt, and sand. Pretty thought conditions. It also fell off from an SUV's backseat to the floor with soil. I took the camera quickly, and there was about half a spoon of dirt between the lens and the hood 😱 So far, so good. It passed the IP rating, lol

P.s. If I want to use soon and exclusively use the M system for professional work, I know I need another body soon. I found a super deal for an M10P/R? Or is it wise to embrace the new M11 ? 🤔

[Knipsknecht]

vor 36 Minuten schrieb Dennis:

[…] P.s. If I want to use soon and exclusively use the M system for professional work, I know I need another body soon. I found a super deal for an M10P/R? Or is it wise to embrace the new M11 ? 🤔

For professional work I would think about a SL2-S with an adapter for the M mount lenses. In combination with the M you would become a little bit more flexible, especially if you would add one or two SL lenses with which you could use AF.

If you would prefer to stick to two M bodies I would rely on a M10-P. Why? Over the last few years all glitches have been honed out and you can rely on the camera. I would prefer a well rounded camera over the latest and greatest, at least as long as there are still some minor glitches in the firmware and the editing software needs further updates until it really works well with the new cam.

Unless your customers don’t demand higher resolution files I would wait and maybe pull the trigger if I can get a slightly used M11 in a year when all the release itches are honed out.

[Dennis]

2 hours ago, Knipsknecht said:

For professional work I would think about a SL2-S with an adapter for the M mount lenses. In combination with the M you would become a little bit more flexible, especially if you would add one or two SL lenses with which you could use AF.

If you would prefer to stick to two M bodies I would rely on a M10-P. Why? Over the last few years all glitches have been honed out and you can rely on the camera. I would prefer a well rounded camera over the latest and greatest, at least as long as there are still some minor glitches in the firmware and the editing software needs further updates until it really works well with the new cam.

Unless your customers don’t demand higher resolution files I would wait and maybe pull the trigger if I can get a slightly used M11 in a year when all the release itches are honed out.

Yes, I would prefer to stick with the M system only. Small size and light (compared to SL). I particularly enjoy using OVF. When it's not possible, or I work at short distances such as 50-90cm range, I use LV. In other words, I don't enjoy looking at the world through a screen. Hurra for the OVF!
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So far, 24MP is enough for what I do. A bargain M10-P should be fine. As my M10, but silent. Perspective control and touch screen don't really need it. But I take it.
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About the M11

• I love the 64 iso. On My M10, I try don't go below 200 iso (cause the highlights recovery), so it's almost two stops advantage to shoot wide open. Or to work on purpose at low SS.
• I love I can change iso with the thumbwheel. I think it could be a life-changer. ISO deal is okay where it is. But up and down switches are awful. 
• I love battery capacity.
• And the slightly better sensor and DR.

I'm perfectly comfortable with M10 by daylight. The 200 iso is a limitation, but it works. The issue is by night. 3200 is my top. I rarely use 6400, only when mandatory. And having a solid 6400 is very important. AFAIS, about low light performance, the M10-P is like the M10. Maybe one extra stop for M10-R and one and a half for the M11? I didn't read all the comparison threads. In other words? Which M10 type (except M10M) give me the best 6400 iso performance?

 

 

[ynp]

8 hours ago, charlesphoto99 said:

Best to just add a few more pushups to your exercise regime. And it's free! 

Have enough of exercise carrying my S3 and Rollei 6008 😉

[Photoworks]

40 minutes ago, Dennis said:

Which M10 type (except M10M) give me the best 6400 iso performance?

M10-R is good at 6400ISO

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[Stevejack]

4 hours ago, Dennis said:

P.s. If I want to use soon and exclusively use the M system for professional work, I know I need another body soon. I found a super deal for an M10P/R? Or is it wise to embrace the new M11 ? 🤔

The hard part about the previous M cameras and professional work, is that you had no backup with only the single card slot. The M11 isn't that much better, you have the internal drive with is fine but the only way to really keep a backup is to set the camera to use the internal drive as your primary and use the SD card as your backup. That means connecting the camera to a computer to download the images off the internal drive before you can wipe it and start again. This may or may not be an issue on assignment depending on how many images you're likely to take in a day. 

I don't think you can as easily make the case to upgrade to the M11 if you already have say an M10R which you would need to sell, but if you're looking to buy an additional body (especially with the aim to use it professionally) then the M11 would be a wise choice I think. 

 

[SrMi]

2 minutes ago, Stevejack said:

The hard part about the previous M cameras and professional work, is that you had no backup with only the single card slot. The M11 isn't that much better, you have the internal drive with is fine but the only way to really keep a backup is to set the camera to use the internal drive as your primary and use the SD card as your backup. That means connecting the camera to a computer to download the images off the internal drive before you can wipe it and start again. This may or may not be an issue on assignment depending on how many images you're likely to take in a day. 

I don't think you can as easily make the case to upgrade to the M11 if you already have say an M10R which you would need to sell, but if you're looking to buy an additional body (especially with the aim to use it professionally) then the M11 would be a wise choice I think. 

 

You can transfer the images from the internal (backup) card to an external card while downloading images from the original SD card.