OhOh, future of CL?

[LocalHero1953]

Advertisement (gone after registration)

1 hour ago, EUSe said:

I wish it came true. But I need IBIS.

I like IBIS, but as I have IBIS in the SL2-S I would be happy to sacrifice it for the sake of small size and better battery life.

[cirke]

25 minutes ago, StS said:

The only benefit of the phone is that people will carry it anyhow.

Its not a small benefit, it makes all the difference , I have all the time my iPhone with me  and the quality is good enough for my needs

[jaapv]

56 minutes ago, cirke said:

only the content matters , its interesting or not

I couldn't agree more

[cirke]

to return to the main subject I really hope that Leica will make a CL2
the only 3 Leica's camera I am interested in are a M EVF , a Q 40 or 50 , a CL2 , exactly in that order 🙂

Edited November 13, 2021 by cirke

[Sonnar2]

No need for an "update" in APS-C since it's already a very good camera.
Do this : Keep the size of CL, put a fullframe (48 MP) sensor in, enlarge viewfinder size (it's already very good), leave away display (if it saves money).

[Le Chef]

7 hours ago, Sonnar2 said:

No need for an "update" in APS-C since it's already a very good camera.
Do this : Keep the size of CL, put a fullframe (48 MP) sensor in, enlarge viewfinder size (it's already very good), leave away display (if it saves money).

And it would consume more energy which would produce more heat which require need new ways to dissipate it, and it would require a bigger battery  to cope with the consumption. Very quickly you are up to an SL2-S sized camera…

[ECohen]

Advertisement (gone after registration)

31 minutes ago, Le Chef said:

And it would consume more energy which would produce more heat which require need new ways to dissipate it, and it would require a bigger battery  to cope with the consumption. Very quickly you are up to an SL2-S sized camera…

 

We need to repeal the laws of Physics.

[LucisPictor]

I love my CL and love the results it gives me.
And I start to wonder if Leica won't market a successor camera because they realize that such a good camera might even more poach in the M-market.
Wasn't that the case with the old film CL? They put it down rather quickly because it took away buyers from the M.

[lct]

26 minutes ago, ECohen said:

We need to repeal the laws of Physics.

You mean like the ones permitting that? . 

Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here…

Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!

 

 

[jaapv]

8 minutes ago, lct said:

You mean like the ones permitting that? . 

Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here…

Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!

 

 

Be fair - add the EVF  

[LocalHero1953]

2 minutes ago, jaapv said:

Be fair - add the EVF  

And a mechanical shutter - unless the CL2 leaps to Nikon Z9 tech.

[lct]

3 minutes ago, jaapv said:

Be fair - add the EVF  

I would have done it camera compare allows it but you see what i mean. 

[lct]

13 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said:

And a mechanical shutter - unless the CL2 leaps to Nikon Z9 tech.

I almost never use my mechanical shutters anymore but suppose Leica envision a clone to the Sigma FPL camera with a built-in EVF and a crop mode for full TL lens compatibility. Unless you miss the M mount as much as i do, what arguments would you have against that?

Edited November 17, 2021 by lct

[jaapv]

37 minutes ago, LucisPictor said:

I love my CL and love the results it gives me.
And I start to wonder if Leica won't market a successor camera because they realize that such a good camera might even more poach in the M-market.
Wasn't that the case with the old film CL? They put it down rather quickly because it took away buyers from the M.

The M5 was quite capable of doing so on its own - the CL was an emergency turnover-saver being a small alternative. Leica kept it until they were well under way with the M6 to keep the exposure-TL line alive.

[jaapv]

20 minutes ago, lct said:

I would have done it camera compare allows it but you see what i mean. 

It reverses the size comparison.

[LocalHero1953]

2 hours ago, lct said:

I almost never use my mechanical shutters anymore but suppose Leica envision a clone to the Sigma FPL camera with a built-in EVF and a crop mode for full TL lens compatibility. Unless you miss the M mount as much as i do, what arguments would you have against that?

It would have to be a better electronic shutter than the Sigma. I use my cameras indoors a lot, so I would want a shutter that could cope with the artificial lighting that flickers with mains frequency. And I would hope Leica would make it more comfortable in the hands than the Sigma brick. But I'm not against Leica taking the Sigma and giving it its own make-over. For that matter if Sigma integrated the EVF and improved the electronic shutter, I would happily switch to it from the CL - I don't need a red dot, and Sigma has already done a good job.   

[Boojay]

2 hours ago, lct said:

I almost never use my mechanical shutters anymore but suppose Leica envision a clone to the Sigma FPL camera with a built-in EVF and a crop mode for full TL lens compatibility. Unless you miss the M mount as much as i do, what arguments would you have against that?

I have nothing against that... bring it on please!!!

[adan]

3 hours ago, jaapv said:

The M5 was quite capable of doing so on its own - the CL was an emergency turnover-saver being a small alternative. Leica kept it until they were well under way with the M6 to keep the exposure-TL line alive.

Production lives:

M5: 1971-1975
CL (film): 1973-1976

....ten-year gap

M6: 1986-2003 (counting ttl version).

........................

I don't totally buy the digital CL/film CL analogy, as to cannabilizing M sales.

The film CL had the same lens mount as the M and accepted the indentical unadapted lenses. Except the few goggled lenses, the deep 21/28 lenses, and compromised focusing precision with 135s or 90 f/2s (unless stopped down a lot for DoF).

But a film CL user could happily work with 28mm v.2 f/2.8 (or a tiny Summaron) through 90mm (Tele-)Elmarits, which seems to be the limits of most M enthusiasts anyway. The film CL produced the identical framing and IQ as the film M (same 24x36 image area). Much more of a direct competitor to the film Ms of its time.

The digital CL really is a whole different system (TL/SL mount, 1.5x crop, EVF) for a rather different market.

If anything, I would think it compromises SL sales, at least for longer lenses, where it offers a "free 1.5x teleconverter." Makes the 90-280 SL lens into an "effective" AF 135-420mm. The 90 APO-Summicron-SL becomes an "APO-135mm f/2.0" lens.

(A thought which has crossed my mind. )

But on the whole, I expect the digital CL will live or die based on its own economics - does or can Leica make an adequate return on each body or TL lens sold?

The old Micawber equation: "Annual income 20 pounds, annual expenditure 19, 19, and six. Result - happiness. Annual income 20 pounds, annual expenditure 20 pounds ought and six. Result - misery."

[NZDavid]

I met the New Zealand Leica rep in a photo store here last week and asked her about the CL. While she didn't reveal its future (perhaps she doesn't know), she said she personally preferred a full-frame sensor camera like the Q or M10R, which she called "an artist's camera".

[Advertisement]

Hallo,

Look here: Leica L-Mount

[FlashGordonPhotography]

11 minutes ago, adan said:

Production lives:

M5: 1971-1975
CL (film): 1973-1976

....ten-year gap

M6: 1986-2003 (counting ttl version).

........................

I don't totally buy the digital CL/film CL analogy, as to cannabilizing M sales.…….

Well, I would choose my CL every time over a regular M10. Then again, I did buy one. However as the M10 moves toward higher MP counts there is probably more of a place for a CL type camera in Leica’s range. Something with less MP for those of us with ageing eyes and a desire for convenience.

It’s ultimately up to Leica but it will be a huge shame if they don’t make a body that can really take advantage of those lovely lenses. A few of them can resolve well into the high 30MP range and beyond. We’ve never really been given a chance to see what they can do. I am on record as being first in line for a Q shaped CL2 with IBIS and 36MP. Actually, I’d get two of them.

Gordon