geoffreyg Posted November 8, 2021 Share #141 Posted November 8, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 14 minutes ago, jaapv said: The weight difference between M 246 and M10 is 20 grams... Then it was the size. Initially it felt fine, but somehow overtime, it just didn't feel right. Odd but true. The M10 feels better. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Le Chef Posted November 8, 2021 Share #142 Posted November 8, 2021 “Frenemies” is a well-understood term in business where you share anything and everything from design to manufacture to reduce risk and defray costs. The L-Alliance is just that and it may yet save Leica’s bacon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortuga Posted November 8, 2021 Share #143 Posted November 8, 2021 I think I can see why the CL might be discontinued: when I was looking to upgrade my X2 I couldn’t make up my mind between the Q2 and the CL+23mm/f2, with the Q2 seeming a much better camera for only 20% more. In comparison, the CL seemed overpriced. I bet the CL2 would be even more expensive. The Q2 is killing the CL… Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted November 8, 2021 Share #144 Posted November 8, 2021 28 minutes ago, Tortuga said: I think I can see why the CL might be discontinued: when I was looking to upgrade my X2 I couldn’t make up my mind between the Q2 and the CL+23mm/f2, with the Q2 seeming a much better camera for only 20% more. In comparison, the CL seemed overpriced. I bet the CL2 would be even more expensive. The Q2 is killing the CL… Good luck taking a 90mm or above shot with the Q2. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpclee Posted November 8, 2021 Share #145 Posted November 8, 2021 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Tortuga said: I think I can see why the CL might be discontinued: when I was looking to upgrade my X2 I couldn’t make up my mind between the Q2 and the CL+23mm/f2, with the Q2 seeming a much better camera for only 20% more. In comparison, the CL seemed overpriced. I bet the CL2 would be even more expensive. The Q2 is killing the CL… This seems to suggest Leica should offer CL + 23mm as a third kit option along side the 18mm and 18-56mm kits. Edited November 8, 2021 by cpclee 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortuga Posted November 8, 2021 Share #146 Posted November 8, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Simone_DF said: Good luck taking a 90mm or above shot with the Q2. I am upgrading from an X2… the comparison would be the 90mm crops from the summicron 23mm and the Q2 Edited November 8, 2021 by Tortuga Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RM8 Posted November 8, 2021 Share #147 Posted November 8, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, Tortuga said: I am upgrading from an X2… the comparison would be the 90mm crops from the summicron 23mm and the Q2 Cropping 23mm doesn't yield same picture/perspective as say 90mm not mentioning pixel count. Both different from zooming 23mm with one's feet too 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted November 8, 2021 Share #148 Posted November 8, 2021 21 minutes ago, RM8 said: Cropping 23mm doesn't yield same picture/perspective as say 90mm not mentioning pixel count. Both different from zooming 23mm with one's feet too Cropping doesn’t change perspective … 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 8, 2021 Share #149 Posted November 8, 2021 But this misconception is often parroted on the Internet... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RM8 Posted November 8, 2021 Share #150 Posted November 8, 2021 58 minutes ago, IkarusJohn said: Cropping doesn’t change perspective … True! Compared to the full size 23mm image. But different from tele zoom both optical and pedestrian Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted November 8, 2021 Share #151 Posted November 8, 2021 3 hours ago, Tortuga said: I am upgrading from an X2… the comparison would be the 90mm crops from the summicron 23mm and the Q2 But on the CL you can mount a 90mm, why would even consider cropping? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 8, 2021 Share #152 Posted November 8, 2021 Left it at home, maybe? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ba Erv Posted November 8, 2021 Share #153 Posted November 8, 2021 I bought 3 more new CLs today. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 8, 2021 Share #154 Posted November 8, 2021 If more people do so, it might convince Leica... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RM8 Posted November 8, 2021 Share #155 Posted November 8, 2021 9 minutes ago, Ba Erv said: I bought 3 more new CLs today. Yeah! No more swapping batteries for you, instead change camera bodies 😉 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 8, 2021 Share #156 Posted November 8, 2021 1 hour ago, RM8 said: But different from tele zoom both optical and pedestrian Telezooms don't change perspective compared to the same focal length either. The only thing that determines perspective is the position of the camera. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortuga Posted November 8, 2021 Share #157 Posted November 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Simone_DF said: But on the CL you can mount a 90mm, why would even consider cropping? Because you live with one camera and one lens. The X2 way. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chef Posted November 8, 2021 Share #158 Posted November 8, 2021 Just now, Tortuga said: Because you live with one camera and one lens. The X2 way. With a CL the whole point is you don’t have to live with one lens, so the argument is moot. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortuga Posted November 8, 2021 Share #159 Posted November 8, 2021 17 minutes ago, Le Chef said: With a CL the whole point is you don’t have to live with one lens, so the argument is moot. The thing is, if you buy the CL plus three lenses, it will be way more expensive than the Q2; also larger and heavier. If you are into lightness and compactness, it’s not the way to go Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ba Erv Posted November 8, 2021 Share #160 Posted November 8, 2021 2 hours ago, jaapv said: If more people do so, it might convince Leica... So, 3 more after the 1st of the month should help even more? For the $1968 a piece that I paid I’m all in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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