Tortuga Posted November 8, 2021 Share #141 Posted November 8, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) I think I can see why the CL might be discontinued: when I was looking to upgrade my X2 I couldn’t make up my mind between the Q2 and the CL+23mm/f2, with the Q2 seeming a much better camera for only 20% more. In comparison, the CL seemed overpriced. I bet the CL2 would be even more expensive. The Q2 is killing the CL… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Simone_DF Posted November 8, 2021 Share #142 Posted November 8, 2021 28 minutes ago, Tortuga said: I think I can see why the CL might be discontinued: when I was looking to upgrade my X2 I couldn’t make up my mind between the Q2 and the CL+23mm/f2, with the Q2 seeming a much better camera for only 20% more. In comparison, the CL seemed overpriced. I bet the CL2 would be even more expensive. The Q2 is killing the CL… Good luck taking a 90mm or above shot with the Q2. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpclee Posted November 8, 2021 Share #143 Posted November 8, 2021 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Tortuga said: I think I can see why the CL might be discontinued: when I was looking to upgrade my X2 I couldn’t make up my mind between the Q2 and the CL+23mm/f2, with the Q2 seeming a much better camera for only 20% more. In comparison, the CL seemed overpriced. I bet the CL2 would be even more expensive. The Q2 is killing the CL… This seems to suggest Leica should offer CL + 23mm as a third kit option along side the 18mm and 18-56mm kits. Edited November 8, 2021 by cpclee 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortuga Posted November 8, 2021 Share #144 Posted November 8, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Simone_DF said: Good luck taking a 90mm or above shot with the Q2. I am upgrading from an X2… the comparison would be the 90mm crops from the summicron 23mm and the Q2 Edited November 8, 2021 by Tortuga Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RM8 Posted November 8, 2021 Share #145 Posted November 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Tortuga said: I am upgrading from an X2… the comparison would be the 90mm crops from the summicron 23mm and the Q2 Cropping 23mm doesn't yield same picture/perspective as say 90mm not mentioning pixel count. Both different from zooming 23mm with one's feet too 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted November 8, 2021 Share #146 Posted November 8, 2021 21 minutes ago, RM8 said: Cropping 23mm doesn't yield same picture/perspective as say 90mm not mentioning pixel count. Both different from zooming 23mm with one's feet too Cropping doesn’t change perspective … 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 8, 2021 Share #147 Posted November 8, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) But this misconception is often parroted on the Internet... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RM8 Posted November 8, 2021 Share #148 Posted November 8, 2021 58 minutes ago, IkarusJohn said: Cropping doesn’t change perspective … True! Compared to the full size 23mm image. But different from tele zoom both optical and pedestrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted November 8, 2021 Share #149 Posted November 8, 2021 3 hours ago, Tortuga said: I am upgrading from an X2… the comparison would be the 90mm crops from the summicron 23mm and the Q2 But on the CL you can mount a 90mm, why would even consider cropping? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 8, 2021 Share #150 Posted November 8, 2021 Left it at home, maybe? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ba Erv Posted November 8, 2021 Share #151 Posted November 8, 2021 I bought 3 more new CLs today. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 8, 2021 Share #152 Posted November 8, 2021 If more people do so, it might convince Leica... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RM8 Posted November 8, 2021 Share #153 Posted November 8, 2021 9 minutes ago, Ba Erv said: I bought 3 more new CLs today. Yeah! No more swapping batteries for you, instead change camera bodies 😉 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 8, 2021 Share #154 Posted November 8, 2021 1 hour ago, RM8 said: But different from tele zoom both optical and pedestrian Telezooms don't change perspective compared to the same focal length either. The only thing that determines perspective is the position of the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortuga Posted November 8, 2021 Share #155 Posted November 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Simone_DF said: But on the CL you can mount a 90mm, why would even consider cropping? Because you live with one camera and one lens. The X2 way. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chef Posted November 8, 2021 Share #156 Posted November 8, 2021 Just now, Tortuga said: Because you live with one camera and one lens. The X2 way. With a CL the whole point is you don’t have to live with one lens, so the argument is moot. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortuga Posted November 8, 2021 Share #157 Posted November 8, 2021 17 minutes ago, Le Chef said: With a CL the whole point is you don’t have to live with one lens, so the argument is moot. The thing is, if you buy the CL plus three lenses, it will be way more expensive than the Q2; also larger and heavier. If you are into lightness and compactness, it’s not the way to go Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ba Erv Posted November 8, 2021 Share #158 Posted November 8, 2021 2 hours ago, jaapv said: If more people do so, it might convince Leica... So, 3 more after the 1st of the month should help even more? For the $1968 a piece that I paid I’m all in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chef Posted November 8, 2021 Share #159 Posted November 8, 2021 48 minutes ago, Tortuga said: The thing is, if you buy the CL plus three lenses, it will be way more expensive than the Q2; also larger and heavier. If you are into lightness and compactness, it’s not the way to go You know the answer, just just don’t want to see it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpclee Posted November 8, 2021 Share #160 Posted November 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Tortuga said: The thing is, if you buy the CL plus three lenses, it will be way more expensive than the Q2; also larger and heavier. If you are into lightness and compactness, it’s not the way to go Not so much if you think about the long term cost. With the Q2 your lens will have no residual value when the camera/sensor dies. With the CL + lenses path the lenses will continue to mount and work with whatever L mount cameras that are available for decades to come. I agree that if you are a one camera one lens guy, the Q2 is compelling. But the CL excels in other ways. Never before had one been able to pack so much range (e.g. 17-200mm equivalent) and versatility into a package lighter and smaller than an M kit with 3 lenses. Give me a CL + 11-18 + 55-135 + 35/1.4 and there is nothing I cannot do. Or I can just use a couple of M lenses and beat an M kit in its own game in terms of compactness and stealthiness. Or I can do macro with the 60/2.8. Point is, the CL might just be the most versatile Leica ever existed. 6 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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