OhOh, future of CL?

[Tortuga]

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I think I can see why the CL might be discontinued: when I was looking to upgrade my X2 I couldn’t make up my mind between the Q2 and the CL+23mm/f2, with the Q2 seeming a much better camera for only 20% more. In comparison, the CL seemed overpriced. I bet the CL2 would be even more expensive. The Q2 is killing the CL…

[Simone_DF]

28 minutes ago, Tortuga said:

I think I can see why the CL might be discontinued: when I was looking to upgrade my X2 I couldn’t make up my mind between the Q2 and the CL+23mm/f2, with the Q2 seeming a much better camera for only 20% more. In comparison, the CL seemed overpriced. I bet the CL2 would be even more expensive. The Q2 is killing the CL…

Good luck taking a 90mm or above shot with the Q2.

[cpclee]

35 minutes ago, Tortuga said:

I think I can see why the CL might be discontinued: when I was looking to upgrade my X2 I couldn’t make up my mind between the Q2 and the CL+23mm/f2, with the Q2 seeming a much better camera for only 20% more. In comparison, the CL seemed overpriced. I bet the CL2 would be even more expensive. The Q2 is killing the CL…

This seems to suggest Leica should offer CL + 23mm as a third kit option along side the 18mm and 18-56mm kits.

Edited November 8, 2021 by cpclee

[Tortuga]

22 minutes ago, Simone_DF said:

Good luck taking a 90mm or above shot with the Q2.

I am upgrading from an X2… the comparison would be the 90mm crops from the summicron 23mm and the Q2

Edited November 8, 2021 by Tortuga

[RM8]

1 hour ago, Tortuga said:

I am upgrading from an X2… the comparison would be the 90mm crops from the summicron 23mm and the Q2

Cropping 23mm doesn't yield same picture/perspective as say 90mm not mentioning pixel count. Both different from zooming 23mm with one's feet too

[IkarusJohn]

21 minutes ago, RM8 said:

Cropping 23mm doesn't yield same picture/perspective as say 90mm not mentioning pixel count. Both different from zooming 23mm with one's feet too

Cropping doesn’t change perspective …

[jaapv]

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But this misconception is often parroted on the Internet...  

[RM8]

58 minutes ago, IkarusJohn said:

Cropping doesn’t change perspective …

True! Compared to the full size 23mm image. But different from tele zoom both optical and pedestrian

[Simone_DF]

3 hours ago, Tortuga said:

I am upgrading from an X2… the comparison would be the 90mm crops from the summicron 23mm and the Q2

But on the CL you can mount a 90mm, why would even consider cropping?

[jaapv]

Left it at home, maybe?

[Ba Erv]

I bought 3 more new CLs today.

[jaapv]

If more people do so, it might convince Leica...  

[RM8]

9 minutes ago, Ba Erv said:

I bought 3 more new CLs today.

Yeah! No more swapping batteries for you, instead change camera bodies 😉

[jaapv]

1 hour ago, RM8 said:

But different from tele zoom both optical and pedestrian

Telezooms don't change perspective compared to the same focal length either. The only thing that determines perspective is the position of the camera.

[Tortuga]

1 hour ago, Simone_DF said:

But on the CL you can mount a 90mm, why would even consider cropping?

Because you live with one camera and one lens. The X2 way.

[Le Chef]

Just now, Tortuga said:

Because you live with one camera and one lens. The X2 way.

With a CL the whole point is you don’t have to live with one lens, so the argument is moot.

[Tortuga]

17 minutes ago, Le Chef said:

With a CL the whole point is you don’t have to live with one lens, so the argument is moot.

The thing is, if you buy the CL plus three lenses, it will be way more expensive than the Q2; also larger and heavier. If you are into lightness and compactness, it’s not the way to go

[Ba Erv]

2 hours ago, jaapv said:

If more people do so, it might convince Leica...  

So, 3 more after the 1st of the month should help even more?  For the $1968 a piece that I paid I’m all in.  

[Le Chef]

48 minutes ago, Tortuga said:

The thing is, if you buy the CL plus three lenses, it will be way more expensive than the Q2; also larger and heavier. If you are into lightness and compactness, it’s not the way to go

You know the answer, just just don’t want to see it.

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[cpclee]

1 hour ago, Tortuga said:

The thing is, if you buy the CL plus three lenses, it will be way more expensive than the Q2; also larger and heavier. If you are into lightness and compactness, it’s not the way to go

Not so much if you think about the long term cost.  With the Q2 your lens will have no residual value when the camera/sensor dies.  With the CL + lenses path the lenses will continue to mount and work with whatever L mount cameras that are available for decades to come.

I agree that if you are a one camera one lens guy, the Q2 is compelling.  But the CL excels in other ways.  Never before had one been able to pack so much range (e.g. 17-200mm equivalent) and versatility into a package lighter and smaller than an M kit with 3 lenses.  Give me a CL + 11-18 + 55-135 + 35/1.4 and there is nothing I cannot do.  Or I can just use a couple of M lenses and beat an M kit in its own game in terms of compactness and stealthiness.  Or I can do macro with the 60/2.8.  Point is, the CL might just be the most versatile Leica ever existed.