Aaron Daniel Posted December 10, 2020 Share #361 Posted December 10, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) Loving all these updates, reviews and press release details so far. Extra excited to see that this is already available! If there's anyone out there who is able, I'd love to know if this body has, or will have, the ability to record in ProRes Raw (i.e. through an external recorder like the Atomos Ninja V). I am unsure who to ask, so just putting this question into the world! I understand Leica gave their answer around limiting this feature on the SL2 because of high megapixel count, and the SL2-S seems to be their answer. Will the Leica SL2-S allow prores raw recording? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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padam Posted December 10, 2020 Share #362 Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) 23 hours ago, Slender said: just an actual recap of the SL2 stats on video / crop / formats from the manual Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I am pretty sure that the first line is wrong here, which is odd, considering it looks like an official specs sheet. There is no 8K / no crop full scan mode on the SL2, otherwise it would be a highly advertised feature. The 5K video is a pixel-to-pixel (1:1) crop of the sensor, and it is in 4:3 aspect ratio. So the crop factor in 5K mode regarding sensor width is 1.67x so slightly higher than APS-C It is optimal for shooting with anamorphic lenses, although I think it needs an external monitor to desqueeze the image. So yes, going back to the SL2-S Not only is it a bit cheaper than I expected, but a good deal better for video use. Edited December 10, 2020 by padam 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lx1713 Posted December 10, 2020 Share #363 Posted December 10, 2020 24 minutes ago, Aaron Daniel said: Loving all these updates, reviews and press release details so far. Extra excited to see that this is already available! If there's anyone out there who is able, I'd love to know if this body has, or will have, the ability to record in ProRes Raw (i.e. through an external recorder like the Atomos Ninja V). I am unsure who to ask, so just putting this question into the world! I understand Leica gave their answer around limiting this feature on the SL2 because of high megapixel count, and the SL2-S seems to be their answer. Will the Leica SL2-S allow prores raw recording? I'm a stills photographer so the way I solve the video portion of this camera is to shoot 24 fps in DNG. Staying in Photo mode. So I would consider it a fantastic camera just for that reason. Not for long form shooting but short run and gun clips. While I was expecting this sooner or later but almost unlimited shooting except by card size is awesome. Totally wowed by this. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caissa Posted December 10, 2020 Share #364 Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) The BIG QUESTION for me is now the AFc. Has it been improved ? Or will it come later ? And when is the improved version also available for SL2 ? Another question: Is this now a Sony sensor or is it coming from TowerJazz ? It is BSI, does this mean Sony ? Partial answer: I found in red dot forum. that the new firmware with better AF will be coming in “Early 2021”. Edited December 10, 2020 by caissa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
usm Posted December 10, 2020 Share #365 Posted December 10, 2020 First time Leica brings out a reduced version which does not cost more ... 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebben Posted December 10, 2020 Share #366 Posted December 10, 2020 Still no phase detection 😬 wobble focus still on the menu Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted December 10, 2020 Share #367 Posted December 10, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 20 minutes ago, usm said: First time Leica brings out a reduced version which does not cost more ... Depends on what you mean by ‘reduced’. The M262 eliminated live view and video, had reduced weight via aluminum top plate, and launched at a lower price than its M240 sibling. And the M-E versions of the M9 and M240 were lower priced than their respective predecessors. Same with the S-E versus the S006. But none of these lower cost examples involved reduced pixel counts, if that’s your meaning. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyCartwright Posted December 10, 2020 Share #368 Posted December 10, 2020 I wonder how this will perform for starscape / milky way photography. I have an SL2 which does a poor job at it, but have been considering picking up a Sony A7III or A7SIII for star work. Until now. Any thoughts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted December 10, 2020 Share #369 Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) vor einer Stunde schrieb caissa: The BIG QUESTION for me is now the AFc. Has it been improved ? Or will it come later ? And when is the improved version also available for SL2 ? Another question: Is this now a Sony sensor or is it coming from TowerJazz ? It is BSI, does this mean Sony ? Partial answer: I found in red dot forum. that the new firmware with better AF will be coming in “Early 2021”. TowerJazz makes BSI image sensors, too. But David Farkas hints that it must be using a variant of the IMX410CQK “With a large 5.9μm pixel size...” https://www.reddotforum.com/content/2020/12/leica-sl2-s-announced/. And see further down here on this sensor’s spec sheet: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited December 10, 2020 by Chaemono 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/314370-sl2-s/?do=findComment&comment=4095955'>More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted December 10, 2020 Share #370 Posted December 10, 2020 38 minutes ago, Chaemono said: TowerJazz makes BSI image sensors, too. But David Farkas hints that it must be using a variant of the IMX410CQK “With a large 5.9μm pixel size...” https://www.reddotforum.com/content/2020/12/leica-sl2-s-announced/. And see further down here on this sensor’s spec sheet: Interesting, Thx. You'll note that the Reddot spec stating: CMOS sensor, pixel pitch: 5.94 μm / Fullframe (24.6 MP): 6072 x 4056 pixels which matches up precisely the Sony spec for that sensors effective pixel count. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted December 10, 2020 Share #371 Posted December 10, 2020 DPReview says the same: "The Leica SL2-S is a 24 Megapixel camera which almost certainly uses the same sensor as the Sony a7 III, Panasonic Lumix DC-S5 and Nikon Z6 II. " https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/leica-sl2-s-initial-review Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted December 10, 2020 Share #372 Posted December 10, 2020 vor 4 Minuten schrieb Simone_DF: DPReview says the same: "The Leica SL2-S is a 24 Megapixel camera which almost certainly uses the same sensor as the Sony a7 III, Panasonic Lumix DC-S5 and Nikon Z6 II. " https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/leica-sl2-s-initial-review They must be using some variant of a similar sensor but note that the A7 III, LUMIX S1 and S5 are 24.2 MPx. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul.bridges.3388 Posted December 10, 2020 Share #373 Posted December 10, 2020 Anyone confirm it’s the same SL battery? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
michali Posted December 10, 2020 Share #374 Posted December 10, 2020 16 minutes ago, paul.bridges.3388 said: Anyone confirm it’s the same SL battery? Yes it's the same battery- BP-SCL4 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZN Posted December 10, 2020 Share #375 Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) Lots of initial reviews online, but I haven't seen one yet that talks about how the SL2-S works with "troublesome" M lenses (35mm Summicron-ASPH, 28mm Elmarit etc.) Any news? Edited December 10, 2020 by AZN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted December 10, 2020 Share #376 Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) Sony has 50% image sensor market share so 50% of the images out there look like a Sony. 😂 Edited December 10, 2020 by Chaemono 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
michali Posted December 10, 2020 Share #377 Posted December 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, Steven said: Excuse the rookie question but, if the sensor is the same than the a7iii, does that mean that the Image will look like a Sony ?!!! The quick answer is no. Independent of the sensor, the way different lenses render is what makes a difference to the image. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daedalus2000 Posted December 10, 2020 Share #378 Posted December 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Steven said: Too that I’ll answer: does the summilux 50 adapted on the a7iii and sl2s produce the same image (or extremely similar) if we assume they have the same sensor ? I think the layers above the sensor (including microlenses and color filters) will make a difference 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted December 10, 2020 Share #379 Posted December 10, 2020 13 minutes ago, Chaemono said: Sony has 50% image sensor market share so 50% of the images out there look like a Sony. 😂 Hasselblad and Fuji MF cameras use Sony sensors. Their images do not look like images from Sony cameras . 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted December 10, 2020 Share #380 Posted December 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, Steven said: Too that I’ll answer: does the summilux 50 adapted on the a7iii and sl2s produce the same image (or extremely similar) if we assume they have the same sensor ? Short answer: no. Long answer: there's more than just the base sensor involved. Each customer defines their own colour filter array (which tips the balance between colour accuracy and low-light sensitivity), filter stack composition (IR cutoff, thickness), micro-lenses, cooling, colour science, pre-processing stack, etc. Leaving aside the issue of micro-lenses (which is an obvious way in which Leica's sensors work better with M lenses), Sony tends to have more built-in smoothing at high ISO, and lower colour sensitivity, compared to other Sony Semi customers like Fuji, Hasselblad, PhaseOne, etc... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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