jakontil Posted January 14, 2022 Share #181 Posted January 14, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thanks @jonoslackAmazing read out, once your review pop up, bookmarked, wait for my best time over a cup of coffee to read through no, im not looking for excuse to get or not to get M11, but just add knowledge to my brain library about the leica M line ups, if i ever to decide, i would send you DM over Fb just like the m10R black paint 😂 what makes me wonder however, since leica decided to remove one of the feature in my book, which was the baseplate, and came with 2 different constructions based on each colour, my question is, does the bottom part made of the same material as in the top plate, say either brass or aluminum or they r just magnesium? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 14, 2022 Posted January 14, 2022 Hi jakontil, Take a look here Leica M11 Review by Jono Slack. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jonoslack Posted January 14, 2022 Author Share #182 Posted January 14, 2022 26 minutes ago, mike3996 said: Huge thanks to your review Jono. You must be the best Leica salesman out there, even if you don't get commissions. I am still wary of the shutter lag situation. I trust you when you say it's identical to M10R. Still, with a Y-forked shutter cable and an app that counts milliseconds you could do scientific tests. This setup will not allow one to discover exact shutter lag of a camera, but it will reveal whether there's a difference (for example, one camera captures an image of 20.012 ms and another takes a shot of 20.021 ms). The Y cable can be bad so results have to be repeated with the cable ends switched. Hi There Mike Well, I did it with an online clock and myself - but hundreds and hundreds of times to get good stats. I tend not to post results because 1 they're boring and 2 they make people have arguments about the method! And thanks for the kind words 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted January 14, 2022 Author Share #183 Posted January 14, 2022 13 minutes ago, jakontil said: Thanks @jonoslackAmazing read out, once your review pop up, bookmarked, wait for my best time over a cup of coffee to read through no, im not looking for excuse to get or not to get M11, but just add knowledge to my brain library about the leica M line ups, if i ever to decide, i would send you DM over Fb just like the m10R black paint 😂 what makes me wonder however, since leica decided to remove one of the feature in my book, which was the baseplate, and came with 2 different constructions based on each colour, my question is, does the bottom part made of the same material as in the top plate, say either brass or aluminum or they r just magnesium? I'm pretty sure that the base plate is the same for both cameras - and thanks for the kind words best 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted January 14, 2022 Author Share #184 Posted January 14, 2022 1 hour ago, adan said: A couple of questions (may have been mention, but hard to find in the tsunami of posts). I can't find pictures of the camera that are definitive. - during a lens change, does the shutter open and close in protective mode? Or is the sensor uncovered? - with the deletion of the internal meter cell in the shutter chamber, has the floor of the chamber been lowered compared to the M10s? One of the few things that bugged me about the M10 was an increased tendency for flare patches from internal camera reflections off the "tight" walls and floor of the shutter chamber. (For some reason mostly with 90mm lenses, and even with a lens hood). Or did Leica simply recycle the meter space for other electronics? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Hi there Andy I'll try and get some pictures over lunch best Jono Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted January 14, 2022 Author Share #185 Posted January 14, 2022 10 minutes ago, Steven said: Jono, SPECTACULAR write up. Sorry that I could not come by and say hello sooner. But I loved it so much, I read it twice from where I was. And the result is that it made me love my M11 even more than I did before. Thank you. Thank you Steven I was hoping that it would make people love it more - it's quite overwhelming getting on top of it all I think. I like the Best Mates shot as well - they're musicians in a band and they'd just finished a great gig. best Jono 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevejack Posted January 14, 2022 Share #186 Posted January 14, 2022 I mentioned this in another thread, but since you have Leica’s ear… I would love to suggest that they add a future update where the old manual shutter mode can used with no metering whatsoever. They can call it ‘vintage Leica mode’ and it would operate just like a meter-less M3 or M-A. We would get the old ‘snick’ shutter back (open/close) and it would be a quirky little throwback to the past. Hardcore mode for the true photographer 😉 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted January 14, 2022 Share #187 Posted January 14, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, adan said: during a lens change, does the shutter open and close in protective mode? Or is the sensor uncovered? I was worried about this as well and elmars answered my question in the other thread: "When You take the lens off the shutter remains open. It closes only in sleep mode or after turning off." With the M10 in Liveview it closes when you take off the lens and the camera is turned on. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted January 14, 2022 Share #188 Posted January 14, 2022 Thanks, I have placed my preorder....! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chips Posted January 14, 2022 Share #189 Posted January 14, 2022 Thanks for the comprehensive review. I feel more confident understanding the M11 after your seven months trial with the M11. My main concern is whether the signature Leica "Look" in the image has been maintained. Your images have a range: bright, moody, B&W, crisp and slightly soft focus. The images seem to appear a little different than the classic Leica image. But it just may be my eye and natural skepticism with something new. Did you notice any departure or change in terms of Leica Image? I realize that 60MP is a big jump but some medium formats produce really excellent quality. What do you think? CHIPS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abphoto Posted January 14, 2022 Share #190 Posted January 14, 2022 Jono, Another wonderful review. I doubt I will upgrade form my M 10s or especially my M 10 M but this should be a big success for Leica. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidvanchu Posted January 14, 2022 Share #191 Posted January 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Stevejack said: I mentioned this in another thread, but since you have Leica’s ear… I would love to suggest that they add a future update where the old manual shutter mode can used with no metering whatsoever. They can call it ‘vintage Leica mode’ and it would operate just like a meter-less M3 or M-A. We would get the old ‘snick’ shutter back (open/close) and it would be a quirky little throwback to the past. Hardcore mode for the true photographer 😉 I would love this! I love everything else I am seeing about the M11. And I would probably get over it eventually, but this would be a nice option that I think I would use. It's very similar to the way I shot photos back when I had a Nikon D40 (15 years ago! 😱) and used old manual focus/manual aperture lenses that didn't activate the meter on it. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eclectic Man Posted January 14, 2022 Share #192 Posted January 14, 2022 Just wondering whether there is a facility for copying data from the internal 64GB store onto an SD card. The split store capability of sending DNG to the internal store and JPG to the SD card is presumably to ensure best possibly write speed, but then you might want to save the DNG files somewhere else without having to connect a computer. Alternatively can the M11 drive a separate hard drive directly (that is without the use of an intermediate, powered computer)? Fairly obscure questions, but just thought I'd ask. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dsauro Posted January 14, 2022 Share #193 Posted January 14, 2022 (edited) Hi Jono A wonderful review. A bit of an offbeat question. Do you have any insight as to why Leica does not include a 4 channel histogram? Given the M11 is going to make a great landscape camera, a more robust histogram would be great ! Edited January 14, 2022 by Dsauro 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 14, 2022 Share #194 Posted January 14, 2022 10 minutes ago, Eclectic Man said: Just wondering whether there is a facility for copying data from the internal 64GB store onto an SD card. The split store capability of sending DNG to the internal store and JPG to the SD card is presumably to ensure best possibly write speed, but then you might want to save the DNG files somewhere else without having to connect a computer. Alternatively can the M11 drive a separate hard drive directly (that is without the use of an intermediate, powered computer)? Fairly obscure questions, but just thought I'd ask. Yes, there is. Under the new menu Storage Management, there are two option: copy IN > SD, and format IN or SD. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMyers Posted January 14, 2022 Share #195 Posted January 14, 2022 Jono, that was a very enjoyable/interesting read, and I love your photos as well. Somehow you took the "facts" and made me understand them better, both what they are, but also how they work - and which ones I might find the most useful compared to my M10. I came away from your write-up not so much feeling that there were several things I concentrated on that were "new", but how almost everything has been a little (or more than a little) improved over my M10. I still don't feel I "need" an M11, but I can see how it would be a nice step upwards in so many ways. It's not that it fixed "issues" from my M10, but more that it enhanced almost ever aspect of shooting with the M10. If I sort things into "plus" and "minus" columns, other than $$$ the minus column is empty. Other than for trying to figure out how I can afford one, I'm pretty much sold on the idea that it will be good for me. Leica has told me how it is a better camera, but you have shown me how it will be a better camera for my own photography. To be fair, I should add that for me it's not just a simple question of M10 vs. M11 - it's a a choice of M10, M11, M8.2, D750, D850, Film, and my Fuji X100f. The M11 can't replace my M8.2, as I do infrared photography. The M11 may or may not replace film - given both, I don't see why I would prefer film though. The M11 doesn't seem to be a replacement for a DSLR, as they're too different. The M11 as a rangefinder camera won't work for me when shooting wildlife with a long lens - with my M10, and Visoflex, that's a struggle. The M11 probably puts an end to my need/desire for my Fuji, but I enjoy a viewing screen that I can flip up or down, for shooting ground level or over my head. As a rangefinder camera, the M11 seems to be thoroughly better than any camera I now own. From what you've written, just as my M10 is a better camera for me than the M8.2 (other than IR), the M11 will similarly be better than my M10. .....and while everyone here is comparing the M11 to previous Leica M series cameras, nobody has yet compared it to a Nikon Z9. I could write up a list of things the other cameras do, that the M11 can't, but I'm not looking for a replacement one-size-fits-all camera - I'm just seeing the M11 as a replacement for my M10, and you've made that easier for me to understand. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickness Posted January 14, 2022 Share #196 Posted January 14, 2022 Great review, Jono, and the images as always are fantastic. I don’t see it mentioned often enough, but the M really is the Porsche 911 of cameras, and I am really glad Leica seems to view it as such in how they evolve it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted January 14, 2022 Share #197 Posted January 14, 2022 A car analogy. I’d say there is some truth to that. People who can afford a Porsche 911 probably can also afford an M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted January 14, 2022 Share #198 Posted January 14, 2022 18 minutes ago, Chaemono said: A car analogy. I’d say there is some truth to that. People who can afford a Porsche 911 probably can also afford an M. Hmm. Well, the interior restoration fund for my Lancia Fulvia Coupe walked over and nicked all the funds out of my 'buy more photo equipment' piggy bank.. 🤪 I'll see how long it takes to refill the camera fund. G Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 9 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/328389-leica-m11-review-by-jono-slack/?do=findComment&comment=4355530'>More sharing options...
derleicaman Posted January 14, 2022 Share #199 Posted January 14, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, adan said: A couple of questions (may have been mention, but hard to find in the tsunami of posts). I can't find pictures of the camera that are definitive. - during a lens change, does the shutter open and close in protective mode? Or is the sensor uncovered? - with the deletion of the internal meter cell in the shutter chamber, has the floor of the chamber been lowered compared to the M10s? One of the few things that bugged me about the M10 was an increased tendency for flare patches from internal camera reflections off the "tight" walls and floor of the shutter chamber. (For some reason mostly with 90mm lenses, and even with a lens hood). Or did Leica simply recycle the meter space for other electronics? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! In my short experience with the M11 (one week) I did notice that when the camera is switched on and you change lenses, the sensor is exposed. I believe this was not in Live View mode, just normal camera switched on mode. When the camera is turned off, the sensor is covered for lens changes. I know it is bad practice to change lenses with the M10 with the camera switched on. The sensor, even though covered, attracts more dust while switched on I am told. I tried to get an image of the area in the camera where the meter used to be, but being black on black, not too successful. The area in the shutter box is much like the pre-M6 cameras, and looks rather naked compared to the M8 through M10 camera generations. Here is a picture of it. Edited January 14, 2022 by derleicaman include image 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted January 14, 2022 Share #200 Posted January 14, 2022 vor 7 Minuten schrieb ramarren: Hmm. Well, the interior restoration fund for my Lancia Fulvia Coupe walked over and nicked all the funds out of my 'buy more photo equipment' piggy bank.. 🤪 I'll see how long it takes to refill the camera fund. G Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Now that’s more like an M. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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