GFX100S vs SL2/X1D

[setuporg]

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On 3/29/2021 at 10:37 PM, meerec said:

It’s a street shooting combo !! A killer one ...

So upon reflecting on where this whole thing is going and what's important to me, I've finally succumbed to the 45P and obtained it for walkarounds with either of the X1Di/ii and 907x.  It immediately proved perfect on the X1Dii.  The mechanical focus coupled with AF/MF button allows for very fast and spot-on manual focus and silent operation.  The package is smaller and much better looking than any GFX.  It's as small as an M and on MF feels like it.  The AF is deliberate and fine too.

I looked at GF lenses at a local store and the GF 30mm is bigger and IMO uglier than the XCD 30mm.  I've not seen the GFX100S+GF50mm but it's hard to imagine anything MF ever smaller than the X1D+XCD45P or especially 907x+45P.  The street range of the latter beckons.

Edited April 1, 2021 by setuporg

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[meerec]

6 hours ago, setuporg said:

So upon reflecting on where this whole thing is going and what's important to me, I've finally succumbed to the 45P and obtained it for walkarounds with either of the X1Di/ii and 907x.  It immediately proved perfect on the X1Dii.  The mechanical focus coupled with AF/MF button allows for very fast and spot-on manual focus and silent operation.  The package is smaller and much better looking than any GFX.  It's as small as an M and on MF feels like it.  The AF is deliberate and fine too.

I looked at GF lenses at a local store and the GF 30mm is bigger and IMO uglier than the XCD 30mm.  I've not seen the GFX100S+GF50mm but it's hard to imagine anything MF ever smaller than the X1D+XCD45P or especially 907x+45P.  The street range of the latter beckons.

Totally agree: I use 907X + XCD 45p, without the grip and often without the OVF for street shooting. It is sooooo small, light, and cute. 

[bags27]

Jim Kasson, who probably knows as much about Fuji cameras as anyone, has a pretty critical review of the 100s's haptics:

https://blog.kasson.com/the-last-word/the-degradation-of-detents/

[Jeff S]

One needn’t look further than Leica for a disappointing trend toward loose aperture rings (on M lenses) and weak detents.  But at least this can be adjusted to a degree.

Jeff 

[Jeff S]

10 hours ago, meerec said:

Totally agree: I use 907X + XCD 45p, without the grip and often without the OVF for street shooting. It is sooooo small, light, and cute. 

I wonder how steady I’d be able to hold the camera that way, considering benign left hand tremor, compared to pressing a VF against my eye.  With the rear screen tilted up for downward viewing, seems one could not steady the camera against one’s body.  The OVF would likely be better for someone like me, or an X1D model.

Jeff

Edited April 1, 2021 by Jeff S

[thighslapper]

2 hours ago, bags27 said:

Jim Kasson, who probably knows as much about Fuji cameras as anyone, has a pretty critical review of the 100s's haptics:

https://blog.kasson.com/the-last-word/the-degradation-of-detents/

Frankly, this sort of nit-picking nerdy moaning about the lack of nice audible clicks when you turn dials and similar is taking things beyond the realm of 'normal' camera use.

The GFX100s ergonomics are no better or worse than most cameras I have used and much of this is down to taste ..... some like lots of dedicated buttons and dials... big or small... some prefer touch screens, some like a minimalist combination of both. There are always going to be compromises in size, number and placement. The GFX100s thumbwheels are actually very good, despite what he says, and incorporate short press/long press functions as well which I liked on the old SL but have since vanished. It does the job and doesn't annoy me, which are the only criteria I value. I don't care if the clicks aren't aesthetically pleasing. 

[Mr.Q]

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I agree. Thank you Mr. Kasson for wasting 5 minutes of my life.

[Succisa75]

8 hours ago, bags27 said:

Jim Kasson, who probably knows as much about Fuji cameras as anyone, has a pretty critical review of the 100s's haptics:

https://blog.kasson.com/the-last-word/the-degradation-of-detents/

It’s called shoot more and worry about sounds of clicks less. 

[bags27]

16 minutes ago, Succisa75 said:

It’s called shoot more and worry about sounds of clicks less. 

I shoot nearly everyday and don't worry how my cameras sound. I was trying to be helpful, by supplying information for those considering a Fuji in comparison to Leica. No need to be preachy. 

[LD_50]

28 minutes ago, Succisa75 said:

It’s called shoot more and worry about sounds of clicks less. 

I didn’t read the linked article and think anything like that. Do you think Kasson’s interest in haptics actually prevents him from shooting enough?

Just about any modern camera system can produce excellent results. His comparison to audio equipment is similar in that you reach a point of diminishing returns in sound quality much like you do with image quality. 

What separates camera systems is different for everyone and one of his key attributes is haptics. I agree that this is very important given price is not a differentiator for me. Once IQ and price are out, it comes down to lenses that fit my needs, haptics, and a few other considerations. Enjoyment of the process is very important and I think that is what Kasson was writing about. 
 

[SrMi]

27 minutes ago, LD_50 said:

I didn’t read the linked article and think anything like that. Do you think Kasson’s interest in haptics actually prevents him from shooting enough?

Just about any modern camera system can produce excellent results. His comparison to audio equipment is similar in that you reach a point of diminishing returns in sound quality much like you do with image quality. 

What separates camera systems is different for everyone and one of his key attributes is haptics. I agree that this is very important given price is not a differentiator for me. Once IQ and price are out, it comes down to lenses that fit my needs, haptics, and a few other considerations. Enjoyment of the process is very important and I think that is what Kasson was writing about. 
 

Jim Kasson loves his GFX100S. He is just sad about the current state of affairs. Obviously, he does not own latest Leica-s and Hasselblads .

[Succisa75]

43 minutes ago, bags27 said:

I shoot nearly everyday and don't worry how my cameras sound. I was trying to be helpful, by supplying information for those considering a Fuji in comparison to Leica. No need to be preachy. 

Sorry this wasn’t directed at you. My apologies if you took it that way. I was directing it to the article. 

[Succisa75]

33 minutes ago, LD_50 said:

I didn’t read the linked article and think anything like that. Do you think Kasson’s interest in haptics actually prevents him from shooting enough?

Just about any modern camera system can produce excellent results. His comparison to audio equipment is similar in that you reach a point of diminishing returns in sound quality much like you do with image quality. 

What separates camera systems is different for everyone and one of his key attributes is haptics. I agree that this is very important given price is not a differentiator for me. Once IQ and price are out, it comes down to lenses that fit my needs, haptics, and a few other considerations. Enjoyment of the process is very important and I think that is what Kasson was writing about. 
 

My post was meant to be slightly sarcastic.
 

I’m saying if you spend that much time to write an article on sound of buttons and wheels that means one should shoot more and concentrate on images vs how a button sounds or a wheel sounds unless it’s broken. 

While Jim has some very informative articles, this wasn’t one that was needed IMHO. 
 

 

[bags27]

18 minutes ago, Succisa75 said:

Sorry this wasn’t directed at you. My apologies if you took it that way. I was directing it to the article. 

Thanks. I very much appreciate that. My apologies, too.

BTW, Kasson is a tremendous engineer. Disabled some, he focuses his energy on technical studies, especially, but not exclusively on Fuji. Although that report was subjective and, I agree, a bit flippant, if you check out his website, it's filled with a lot of technical studies.

[Succisa75]

22 minutes ago, bags27 said:

Thanks. I very much appreciate that. My apologies, too.

BTW, Kasson is a tremendous engineer. Disabled some, he focuses his energy on technical studies, especially, but not exclusively on Fuji. Although that report was subjective and, I agree, a bit flippant, if you check out his website, it's filled with a lot of technical studies.

All good. Sometimes tone and sarcasm doesn’t translate well in text without further explanation.

Yes definitely some good content he has written and appreciate his input and knowledge.  

[FlashGordonPhotography]

15 hours ago, bags27 said:

Jim Kasson, who probably knows as much about Fuji cameras as anyone, has a pretty critical review of the 100s's haptics:

https://blog.kasson.com/the-last-word/the-degradation-of-detents/

Really nothing more than personal opinion. I don't mind them at all. They are good enough that I know when I've changed something and no so hard to make turning a dial difficult.

The GFX has some layout issues. Haptics aren't one of them, I don't think.

Gordon

[thighslapper]

4 hours ago, FlashGordonPhotography said:

The GFX has some layout issues. Haptics aren't one of them, I don't think.

Gordon

On the matter of issues I have found the setting of custom modes C1-C6 somewhat bizarre and perplexing. Some may say they are a waste of time but I find having a number of versions of basic settings that I can change with a click rather than ferreting in menus helpful ..... and also useful for changing back to defaults rather than undoing menu changes as well. I foolishly assumed it worked like the Lumix S1R where you can save any combination of settings by just assigning a custom 'C' to them and that's it. It doesn't seem to work quite as I expected and there seem to be some idiosyncrasies and logic that still defeats me. Yesterday I spent the day taking photos in Fine JPG instead of RAW by accident as a result, and some combinations of settings just don't seem to function (the AUTO ISO modes for instance) as expected. I'm having to meticulously go through every parameter for each custom mode to ensure things are set as I assumed .....

It appears menu system has been developed by accretion rather than some underlying pattern and logic..... Hopefully I will have a 'lightbulb moment' and all will become clear ... but somehow I doubt it. 

Edited April 2, 2021 by thighslapper

[ZHNL]

I kind of agree with Jim regarding 100S. However, for a product aiming mass market, I understand FUJI's choice or limitation here. The build quality leave something to be desired but IQ is insane good. 

The build highlight of 100S for me are: shoulder screen, flip screen design, and shutter. All above are the best or as best as I ever used.  This is a photographer tool just works.

100s with 45mm.

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[aksclix]

No one talks about the protruding thumb grip on the 100s.. I guess I am the only one who feels it’s sticking out a bit too much.. it was compared to the S1R but I like the S1R grip  better.. doesn’t mean I don’t like the 100s’ grip though.. it’s the best gfx so far! 
 

[Mr.Q]

The 100S is a bit too thick for my hands.  The X1D still has the best ergonomics (by quite a margin) for me.