Cattoo Posted December 12, 2020 Share #401 Posted December 12, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 2 hours ago, SrMi said: Assuming that the SL2-S sensor is similar to one in the Sony a7rIII, then we could compare a7rIII vs M10M: M10M is better in low-light (high ISO). Of course, we need to see some concrete comparisons to know for sure. I find that M10M is even better in low-light than the measurements indicate. B&W conversion will not do much for luminance noise. I think you mean the A7III. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cattoo Posted December 12, 2020 Share #402 Posted December 12, 2020 7 hours ago, Steven said: Only tried it in daylight sorry. I’m sure it’ll be the best Leica for low light.. z Thanks anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted December 12, 2020 Share #403 Posted December 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Cattoo said: I think you mean the A7III. Yes, thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted December 12, 2020 Share #404 Posted December 12, 2020 11 hours ago, FlashGordonPhotography said: That depends. CDAF speed mainly relies on the read out speed of the sensor and speed of the processor. Pixel count isn't so important. For example the Panasonic S1 doesn't focus dramatically differently to the S1R, which is really the comparison we have here with the SL2 and 2S. There *may* be real world differences but I'm not sure what the differences in power are between the Panny and Leica processors. Software can be important too as the recent Panny upgrades have shown. It'd be great to see some improvements and they may come but I would suspect we might get close to the Panny S5. Dramatic improvements will come with newer hardware generations. Gordon Yes of course with newer generations and more horsepower we'll see a big jump. I wonder if it means a change of battery format though. With a more demanding processor and workflow, the current battery may not be enough, considering it's already average as it is at least on the SL2 (from what I remember for the brief time I used it). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted December 12, 2020 Share #405 Posted December 12, 2020 11 hours ago, Simone_DF said: Yes of course with newer generations and more horsepower we'll see a big jump. I wonder if it means a change of battery format though. With a more demanding processor and workflow, the current battery may not be enough, considering it's already average as it is at least on the SL2 (from what I remember for the brief time I used it). Again. That depends. With newer tech also comes better efficiency. I'm in the process of purchasing a new car. The new engine is smaller than the older one but generates the same torque and more horse power while using less fuel. Or Elon might make more efficient battery cells that we can fit in the same battery case. Personally though, carrying a smallish battery bank has changed the way I travel (not including a certain un-named pendamic). USBC power and charging have solved a bunch of issues. Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Dahl Posted December 15, 2020 Share #406 Posted December 15, 2020 On 12/9/2020 at 12:08 PM, caissa said: I would prefer the S1 or the R6 to the Sony. Results are simply better. So hopefully the SL2-S will follow the S1 path. Now I just wonder what phantastic reasons you will find again for my choice. Not that it is important, but on fora (in the web) many have a similar opinion (they are probably all Sony haters 🤩). “It’s a beast” - What should that mean ? Are cameras beasts ? I have considered SL2-S or canon R5 / 6 but I will use it with my M optics and then maybe only a single original optics. How is Canon R6 with M optics? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted December 15, 2020 Share #407 Posted December 15, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 6 hours ago, Kim Dahl said: I have considered SL2-S or canon R5 / 6 but I will use it with my M optics and then maybe only a single original optics. How is Canon R6 with M optics? None of the other camera brands are great with M optics, including L-Mount partners Panasonic and Sigma. Some M lenses are OK with non-optimized sensors (mostly newer retrofocus designs), but it's hit-and-miss. If your intention is to get the best out of your M lenses, you should definitely get an SL, SL2, or SL2-S. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caissa Posted December 16, 2020 Share #408 Posted December 16, 2020 (edited) A video about the SL2-S shot with the S1H. https://www.dpreview.com/videos/1684302628/dpreview-tv-leica-sl2-s-review Edited December 16, 2020 by caissa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJH Posted December 16, 2020 Share #409 Posted December 16, 2020 I think the DPReview sums up the position pretty well, if you want a hybrid or video camera buy something else for better value/performance and buy and SL2 for only £1k more for stills. AF gets a mention for being worse then the S5 and as they’re silent on a comparison to the SL2, I think we can assume they don’t think there is much of a difference as well. ISO better of course as is always normally the case between 24 & 47mb generally and again they complain that for a hybrid the SL2-S should have a pull out screen at least Strikes me that if you already own and SL2 and really really want a hybrid to go with it buy an S5 for £2k with the excellent 20-60 zoom. I think I might just do that and add it to my SL2 setup, Hugh Brownstone also mentions the S5 in his review as the sweet spot in the L mount alliance as a do it all hybrid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slender Posted December 16, 2020 Share #410 Posted December 16, 2020 IP rating slightly less than SL2.... why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted December 16, 2020 Author Share #411 Posted December 16, 2020 On 12/15/2020 at 2:34 PM, BernardC said: None of the other camera brands are great with M optics, including L-Mount partners Panasonic and Sigma. Some M lenses are OK with non-optimized sensors (mostly newer retrofocus designs), but it's hit-and-miss. If your intention is to get the best out of your M lenses, you should definitely get an SL, SL2, or SL2-S. Actually, if you want the best for your M lenses : any M10 series cameras. Their sensor are tailor made for M lenses only. Whereas SL/TL2/CL/SL2/SL2-S needs a sensor that play well with TL and SL lenses. So they are a kind of compromised. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted December 16, 2020 Share #412 Posted December 16, 2020 28 minutes ago, Slender said: IP rating slightly less than SL2.... why? Technical data documents show IP54 for both cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slender Posted December 16, 2020 Share #413 Posted December 16, 2020 20 minutes ago, SrMi said: Technical data documents show IP54 for both cameras. So DP review got IP52 showing at the bottom plate of their camera in this video Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted December 16, 2020 Author Share #414 Posted December 16, 2020 23 minutes ago, Slender said: So DP review got IP52 showing at the bottom plate of their camera in this video Obviously dpReview got it wrong. Same IP54 for both camera. They are the same body. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/314370-sl2-s/?do=findComment&comment=4099998'>More sharing options...
Pixeleater Posted December 16, 2020 Share #415 Posted December 16, 2020 47 minutes ago, nicci78 said: Actually, if you want the best for your M lenses : any M10 series cameras. Their sensor are tailor made for M lenses only. Whereas SL/TL2/CL/SL2/SL2-S needs a sensor that play well with TL and SL lenses. So they are a kind of compromised. I'm curious to know how the sensor in the SL2 and SL2-S is compromised when used with an M lens? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted December 16, 2020 Share #416 Posted December 16, 2020 46 minutes ago, Slender said: So DP review got IP52 showing at the bottom plate of their camera in this video At what time does the video show the bottom plate? Can anyone who has SL2-S check whether the bottom plate says IP52 or IP54? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted December 16, 2020 Share #417 Posted December 16, 2020 20 minutes ago, Pixeleater said: I'm curious to know how the sensor in the SL2 and SL2-S is compromised when used with an M lens? Very, very little. See Sean Reid's site (subscription) for detailed analysis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Dahl Posted December 16, 2020 Share #418 Posted December 16, 2020 39 minutes ago, Pixeleater said: I'm curious to know how the sensor in the SL2 and SL2-S is compromised when used with an M lens? Reid Reviews has not tested the SL2-s yet. But it will surely come. I'm also curious if the SL2-s is good for M optics Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slender Posted December 16, 2020 Share #419 Posted December 16, 2020 30 minutes ago, SrMi said: At what time does the video show the bottom plate? Can anyone who has SL2-S check whether the bottom plate says IP52 or IP54? 4:47 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
la1402 Posted December 16, 2020 Share #420 Posted December 16, 2020 39 minutes ago, SrMi said: At what time does the video show the bottom plate? Can anyone who has SL2-S check whether the bottom plate says IP52 or IP54? IP54 for mine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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