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20 minutes ago, Steven said:

Being: 

1. A lover of colours

2. A hater of Sony

3. A user of the Sony A7SIII since mid September, 

I can assure you with the utmost confidence that you are entirely wrong, subjectivity of tastes aside. Unfounded statements like these are actually the proof that the a7SIII is underated. I have been able to use if for video with out of the box settings, which used to be impossible with Sony, and the colours for video are the best on the market available today. More malleable in post than the R5 which ive also used extensively. For photos, the colours are great too. As a matter of fact, I posted over a 100 side by side photos in another thread of the 12MP A7SIII with M lenses vs the M10P and M10R, and no one could ever tell the difference because they mostly looked identical. Whenever there was a difference, the readers usually preferred the Sony. 

To me, the real difference is in the lenses, not the sensors and color sciences. I still prefer the feel of shooting with a Leica, that's why im here, but the Sony is NOT overrated. Maybe to you only. Its a beast of a HYBRID camera. Both stills and videos. 

I would prefer the S1 or the R6 to the Sony.   Results are simply better.   So hopefully the SL2-S will follow the S1 path.

Now I just wonder what phantastic reasons you will find again for my choice.  

Not that it is important, but on fora (in the web) many have a similar opinion (they are probably all Sony haters 🤩).

“It’s a beast” - What should that mean ? Are cameras beasts ?

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vor 13 Stunden schrieb scott kirkpatrick:

SL2 had several promised functions that did not appear until firmware 20, about 6 months into the product life.  This is getting to be a pattern -- get the product out, state the goals, and then work over time to deliver all of them, but not all at once...  I'll bet some of the SL2-S video facilities take their time arriving.

 

Hi Scott, I think, this is not true; the only thing that thy have to complement is the high res mode - and this was announced in the first days of SL2.

ok, and a better FOTOS APP, we know...

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2 hours ago, Steven said:

Interesting. What made you give up on video with Leica ? 

A bunch of things, any one of which could have been solved with a tiny effort.  Lack of time to practice and infrequent, but complex  jobs that i shot -- capturing theater performances with multiple cameras running more than 29 minutes, making exposure and focus changes during a sequence.  I found I could solve my first steps problems with Olympus M4/3 cameras and their very nice, stabilized zoom lenses, using auto ISO to manage exposure changes.  Leica now has (in the SL2) gotten to a clean separation between video setup and management and still photo parameters,  so I expect that the control issues are much easier now.  But I still ended up shooting a nephew's bar mitzvah recently with a handheld E-M1 v iii and the 25-100 zoom resting on its tabletop tripod in my lap, and the results were quite good.

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2 hours ago, Steven said:

Quick question, if you use you mirrorless for professional video work, have you considered the A7SIII? Cause that's a real video beast! 

From a professional standpoint, you would most likely choose a hybrid/mirrorless camera that matches your main camera. That means Sony if you use one of their excellent professional camcorders, Canon (the C70, not the R5) if you use a C-series video camera, Panasonic if you use an EVA or Varicam, Blackmagic if you are in that ecosystem. That is the path of least resistance as far as colour-matching, lens compatibility, and post workflow are concerned.

Leica isn't in a strong position here. They have chosen to model their video colour science on Arri, which is great, but they haven't provided the tools and support that the major players have. Nikon is arguably even worse-off, their mirrorless hybrids don't pair-up with any professional video standard, and they don't make their own video cameras.

None of these hybrid cams is significantly better than the others. They each have a few compelling features, but not enough to mix systems for. The A7SIII for instance has great low-light sensitivity, but it doesn't offer APS-C (Super-35) UHD, which can rule it out for B-Cam work.

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15 minutes ago, BernardC said:

From a professional standpoint, you would most likely choose a hybrid/mirrorless camera that matches your main camera.
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That is the path of least resistance as far as colour-matching, lens compatibility, and post workflow are concerned.

This is exactly right. As a professional shooter myself, kit acquisition chooses are led almost entirely by the preference or workflow of my clients. Which can be a bit of a pain if some favour C100/300s and others FS7s.

It’s a fascinating time to be upgrading given the wealth of new releases (I would certainly go for the FX6 over an A7SIII) but Leica being an outlier in the video world, is at a bit of a disadvantage.

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just an actual recap of the SL2 stats on video / crop / formats from the manual

 

 

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I son't know if it's been mentioned, but many originally thought the sensor would be the same as the S5. The SL2-S apparently uses a 24.6 MP BSI sensor and the Panasonic uses a 24.2 MP sensor that doesn't seem to be BSI.  For some this may be interesting.  

My apologies if this has been mentioned - I didn't go. through all 21 pages of the thread.

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I’m curious about the BSI CMOS Sensor and have this question as it relates to still photography.

Since it is suppose to collect more light, it should provide higher resolution without the drop in low-light performance that is associated with high megapixel, right? So presumably in the SL-2s the BSI CMOS sensor and larger pixel size at 24.6 MP should result in high performance in low light conditions with reduced noise?

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Embargo tends to end at 9 am NY time, in 20 mins.  LeicaRumors just reprints a Google translate of Nokishita.  Wait a few more minutes and your email inbox will overflow.  Jono Slack has an empty slot on his home page so I assume he will have an article.  Yep, it's up now.

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