Firmware v.1.91 for M8 available

[cbretteville]

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If you put a WATE on a camera with 1.091, the focal length in the info window is recorded at 18mm and doesn't change with the selected focal length but nor does it change if you change the position of the preset lever.

 

In 1.09, the field is left blank.

 

Keep the user guessing or be right one third of the time...

Well there is no way the camera can read the focal lenght of a WATE so they've either decided that 18mm is middle ground and that's that. Or it needs some sort of operator input telling it what we've twisted up for use.

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[barjohn]

Sirvine,

 

Apple is one of those anomallies in the business. Of course their original closed and secretive model was almost their demise. The problem that Apple has is MS. They know that MS will steal everygood idea they have once they know it. Further, they know MS has the resources and inclination to do just that. Apple has always focused on ergonomics and style, MS hasn't a clue in either of those areas so they copy.

 

For a nische player like Leica, this is less of an issue. There aren't a lot of companies out there that are likely to copy them to produce their own M8, at least not in the near future. So what if one did. Would it hurt Leica? I don't hink so. It would expand the market for their lenses and they would make even more money.

[ho_co]

Mark--

Thanks for info on WATE; seems reasonable to go for the middle length since the camera can't know.

 

Thinking of the lens as a zoom, it only has a 1.3 : 1 ratio, so any of the three values would be fine.

 

Maybe for clarity the EXIF might should say "WATE" instead of a numeric value?

[Guest guy_mancuso]

Lets remember there not finished yet , so things can change .

[roubaix]

I have an idea to prevent future trigger fingers. And I certainly don't blame anyone here on the forum, especially Guy for "announcing" the update. He and the rest of the forum have been fabulously helpful to me in the past.

 

Here are the steps:

 

1. Check for the update.

2. Walk down to your cellar and pick out a nice bottle of wine.

3. Open the bottle, and have a nice glass of some meritage.

4. Walk back to your computer and see if the update is still there.

5. If so, then go ahead and download.

6. If not, have a second glass of wine...

 

Just a thought.

 

Peter

[tom0511]

Mark--

Thanks for info on WATE; seems reasonable to go for the middle length since the camera can't know.

 

Thinking of the lens as a zoom, it only has a 1.3 : 1 ratio, so any of the three values would be fine.

 

Maybe for clarity the EXIF might should say "WATE" instead of a numeric value?

 

I am pretty sure that one will have the posibility to choose the focal length through menue when using the wate with FW1.10

 

cheers,tom

[marknorton]

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HC, I was interested to see if the frame selection lever was playing a part as it does with the NOTE which might hint at some re-design, but no.

[Guest guy_mancuso]

I have an idea to prevent future trigger fingers. And I certainly don't blame anyone here on the forum, especially Guy for "announcing" the update. He and the rest of the forum have been fabulously helpful to me in the past.

 

Here are the steps:

 

1. Check for the update.

2. Walk down to your cellar and pick out a nice bottle of wine.

3. Open the bottle, and have a nice glass of some meritage.

4. Walk back to your computer and see if the update is still there.

5. If so, then go ahead and download.

6. If not, have a second glass of wine...

 

Just a thought.

 

Peter

 

I think I will drink a bottle of vodka next time than it won't matter anyway. ROTFLMAO

[wparsonsgisnet]

When pouring the second glass of wine, put the M8 on another table, first.

[scott kirkpatrick]

From last night's office pictures, there was a glass of wine or equivalent beside every keyboard. It just kept the testers juices flowing.

 

Incidentally, there was a cryptic comment a few days ago that we should expect to see exactly what showed up, firmware labelled 1.09.1, with the real thing, 1.10 slipping into April. Sounds like that was right on target until somebody higher up changed their mind, just as the switch had been thrown. The folks answering questions at m8support can say it was just a mistake, there really was no 1.091, as much as they want, but my conspiratorial imagination knows different.

 

scott

[scott kirkpatrick]

In the official note which congratulated us on our swiftness, Leica's website director assured us that the accidental upgrade was only online for 10 mintues. I wondered about that, so I checked. Here's the timeline (using European time zone):

 

6:07 pm first post "hey, the new firmware's out!"

6:14 pm Guy has already tried it and likes the look of the playback screen with its new line

6:21, 6:33, 6:43 further successful downloads reported. Mac users are again getting it with .xml instead of .upd tag, but we can handle that.

6:50, 7:05 further successes, and by now Guy has put his copy on YouSendIt for someone having download problems.

6:56 is the time stamp on my download of 1.091

 

7:25 is the forum time stamp of the first report that the download had vanished.

 

This has a simple explanation. In special relativity, we learn that time speeds up if you are moving at nearly the speed of light. A space traveller with the right vehicle might make a journey that feels like it took only ten minutes but when he returns to earth, he learns that hours have passed. I believe getting too close to a black hole has a similar effect. That must be what happened.

 

scott

[Guest guy_mancuso]

See what three Espresso's can do

 

Now if I could type that damn fast with accuracy you guys would go blind. LOL

[barjohn]

I have been browsing through the 1.091 code and notice a couple of features that aren't exposed. One is UV/IR filter on/off, the other is noise reduction 0 thorugh 3. [On + UV / IR An mit UV/IR On An Off ] and [Noise Reduction Rausch-Verringerung Noise Reduction Rausch-Verringerung Noise 3 Rauschen 3 Noise 2 Rauschen 2 Noise 1 Rauschen 1 Noise 0 ] [Enabled + UV / IR An mit UV/IR Enabled ] The bracketed values were taken from the code. Based on my tests it needs to know whether you have an IR filter to create the correct WB. There is a significant difference between having the filters on and off. It shows a blue/cyan cast over the entire image when on and pretty close to correct when off.

[wparsonsgisnet]

I ... There is a significant difference between having the filters on and off. It shows a blue/cyan cast over the entire image when on and pretty close to correct when off.

 

John, Would you clarify here please.

 

If I find that colors are more correct in 1.09 when using IR-cut filters, why do they not matter when going to 1.091? I use Edmund's profiles with 486 filters in 1.09.

 

Maybe the cyan cast will only be removed properly in 1.10?

 

I would have expected the 486 filter to give me better color, especially when moving forward in release number order. After all, Leica is going to give us filters for this purpose.

 

I take it you are referring to color in the jpg's, right?

 

tnx,

[barjohn]

I am speaking mainly about the JPGs; however, I am seeing differences in the default converted RAW files too. This is not like the cyan in the corners with w WA lens but like a cast over the complete image. There are two sets of images taken straight from the camera JPGs no post processing and scaled to 21% size. First is with a IR filter then without (should be obvious by the black cushion on the sofa). Then another location first with, then wihtout. The lens was the same 40MM Rookor for all shots. They were taken with seconds of each other. The blue cast should be obvious. The one without the filter is closer to correct and the RAW converted images in PSE5 are closer yet with default conversion parameters. All of these are from the JPGs not the RAWs. I will do some RAW covnersions and see what I find.

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[Eoin]

The matrix 1 and matrix 2 data values in the EXIF data have been changed with fw 1.091, not alone new values but matrix2 is no longer a duplicate of matrix1 as in fw 1.09. I think this is where your getting better values in your raw decodes.

[barjohn]

Here are the same four images converted from the DNGs in C1 to JPGs with all default setting and no post processing other than saclaing to 21%.

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[Philippe D.]

Hi folks,

Just a sample of pictures made with firmware v.1.09 and the very ephemeral v.1.091

 

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v. 1.09

 

v.1.091

The colors here are pretty much like real life.

 

(same lighting, same optic, of course)

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[ho_co]

John--

On my monitor, the first image of each pair looks more 'natural,' though of course I don't know the actual colors involved. For example, the second image of the living room has noticeably magenta walls, and the walls in the second image are slightly magenta as well, as is the filing cabinet.

 

Is your monitor recently calibrated? My misreading may be from my end, of course.

 

--HC

[barjohn]

The walls are a beige color that has pinkish overtones, the filing cabinet is a grey-green and the cart next to it has a grey speckeled top. The white board should be white however where incomplete erasures have occurred there will either be some bluish areas or pinkish. The walls in the office are the same color as the living room. On my monitor, the photos without the IR filters are closer to what I see looking at the actual scene. In the second set the lighting was mixed with strong incandecent mixed with light from outside and in the living room it is all outside lighting.