I ordered the m10-r black paint

[Fred Miranda]

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25 minutes ago, Winedemonium said:

I have these two. My M10-R BP recognises the reissued 35mm f/1.4 Summilux SR.

Thank you for confirming this. It seems logical because the black paint finish is cosmetic and doesn't affect the M10-R's functionality. It's puzzling that my camera doesn't recognize this lens, even though it recognizes all my other lenses. I'm not sure what to make of it.

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[Renata]

39 minutes ago, Winedemonium said:

I have these two. My M10-R BP recognises the reissued 35mm f/1.4 Summilux SR.

Update the camera firmware. It worked for me.

Edit: Sorry, it looks like I replied to the wrong person!

Edited September 30, 2023 by Renata
correction

[Winedemonium]

1 hour ago, Fred Miranda said:

Thank you for confirming this. It seems logical because the black paint finish is cosmetic and doesn't affect the M10-R's functionality. It's puzzling that my camera doesn't recognize this lens, even though it recognizes all my other lenses. I'm not sure what to make of it.

Have you tried sitting them both on a table for a while, speaking to them nicely, introducing them to one another? Sometimes it just takes a bit of coaxing. 

[Fred Miranda]

1 hour ago, Renata said:

Update the camera firmware. It worked for me.

Edit: Sorry, it looks like I replied to the wrong person!

Hi Renata,

When I purchased the camera, it already had the '30.22.23.34' firmware installed. Regrettably, there isn't anything I can do on the software side. I'm not certain if a Leica camera store can reinstall the firmware to see if it resolves the problem. At this point, I'm uncertain whether it's a software or hardware issue, but the camera's 6-bit reader can identify all my other lenses.

[charlesphoto99]

2 hours ago, Fred Miranda said:

Hi Renata,

When I purchased the camera, it already had the '30.22.23.34' firmware installed. Regrettably, there isn't anything I can do on the software side. I'm not certain if a Leica camera store can reinstall the firmware to see if it resolves the problem. At this point, I'm uncertain whether it's a software or hardware issue, but the camera's 6-bit reader can identify all my other lenses.

Try not latching the lens the whole way and wiggle a bit into different spots to see if that activates the code. The mount may have been placed a bit off. Of course if it was placed beyond the latch then this test won't work. 

[Fred Miranda]

7 hours ago, charlesphoto99 said:

Try not latching the lens the whole way and wiggle a bit into different spots to see if that activates the code. The mount may have been placed a bit off. Of course if it was placed beyond the latch then this test won't work. 

Thanks for your post, Charles. If I turn the lens counterclockwise (CCW) by 2mm after unlocking it slightly from the mount, the camera automatically recognizes it as the 35/1.4 Summilux lens. Initially, I thought the issue was with the lens itself, but I confirmed that it's not the case. Even my manually coded Voigtlander 35mm f/1.4 Nokton lens (coded to mimic the Summilux) also requires the same 2mm rotation to function properly. I checked the 6-bit scanner and it seems well aligned and functioning without issues.

So, the Leica 35/1.4 Lux SR's code is 001100, and just to test this out, I decided to code a Voigtlander lens as 011000, which replicates the 2mm rotation by moving the bits. Surprisingly, the camera now detects this lens as the 35/1.4 Summilux! This indicates that the problem lies in the camera's software, not the hardware of the camera or lens. By the way, the 011000 code should automatically detect the lens as Elmarit 21mm f/2.8 instead. So, there are errors in the firmware.

Now, I just need to figure out how to reinstall the latest firmware from scratch. Do anyone know if any Leica camera stores offer this service? The previous owner updated it, but it seems that something went wrong. As of now, my 35/1.4 Lux SR and 35/2 Cron ASPH. are not automatically recognized, although all my other lenses work fine. I'm sure if I would test other lenses, there would be more issues.

[jgeenen]

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Fred, couldn‘t the issue be triggered by the frameline selector instead of the firmware? 6bit code and frameline selector work in conjunction. If you move the lens out of the seated position, you are shifting the code and the framelines by one at the same time. So maybe the 35mm detector on your M10-R is no longer signaling to the processor. If that‘s the case, all 35 and 135mm lenses should behave wrongly and all others would work.

Johannes
 

[T25UFO]

On 9/11/2023 at 1:12 PM, erniethemilk said:

There you go - 

https://classic.leica-camera.com/uk/en/lcuk/Leica-M10-R-Black-Paint-20062/20062SH-5655168

Still not sold.  This seems very speculative and I just wonder whether it is a commission sale with the price set by the seller, and not by Leica Mayfair.

The M10R is an excellent camera but black paint is only cosmetic.  Should hold a better value than the standard model, but not to this extent.

[Fred Miranda]

7 hours ago, jgeenen said:

Fred, couldn‘t the issue be triggered by the frameline selector instead of the firmware? 6bit code and frameline selector work in conjunction. If you move the lens out of the seated position, you are shifting the code and the framelines by one at the same time. So maybe the 35mm detector on your M10-R is no longer signaling to the processor. If that‘s the case, all 35 and 135mm lenses should behave wrongly and all others would work.

Johannes
 

Hi Johannes,

You're right, these two things work together to figure out the lens being used. However, the 2mm rotation isn't sufficient to switch the frameline selector, which stays at 35/135. I also tried my Leica 35mm f/1.4 FLE, and the camera recognized it without any problems. At this stage, I think it's a software problem. Hopefully, I can get the latest firmware reinstalled at a Leica camera store instead of having to send it to Leica NJ.

[rpsawin]

On 9/30/2023 at 12:41 PM, Winedemonium said:

Have you tried sitting them both on a table for a while, speaking to them nicely, introducing them to one another? Sometimes it just takes a bit of coaxing. 

As these are German cameras I suspect a firmer approach would be necessary...

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On 10/1/2023 at 8:25 PM, T25UFO said:

Still not sold.  This seems very speculative and I just wonder whether it is a commission sale with the price set by the seller, and not by Leica Mayfair.

The M10R is an excellent camera but black paint is only cosmetic.  Should hold a better value than the standard model, but not to this extent.

Sold

[T25UFO]

10 minutes ago, Studienkamera said:

Sold

Interesting . . . I wonder whether it made the asking price.  I suppose we’ll never know!  Maybe I should offer Leica Mayfair my M10R Black Paint just to see what price they quote 😉

[Smudgerer]

On 9/30/2023 at 3:09 AM, Fred Miranda said:

Is there anyone using both M10-R BP and Reissued 35mm f/1.4 Summilux SR lens? I'm having an issue with my BP camera not recognizing the 6-bit code from this lens. The camera has the latest firmware. It works fine with my Black Chrome camera. I've posted this here as well: 

 

Yes Fred, I have the M10-R and the 35 1.4 Classic re-issue and everything regarding the 6bit recognition works fine, no problems........My camera is the black chrome version which personally I prefer over BP, ( I know, odd man out as usual ), but I can't see how the difference in finish on the camera could make any difference.

[Fred Miranda]

1 hour ago, Smudgerer said:

Yes Fred, I have the M10-R and the 35 1.4 Classic re-issue and everything regarding the 6bit recognition works fine, no problems........My camera is the black chrome version which personally I prefer over BP, ( I know, odd man out as usual ), but I can't see how the difference in finish on the camera could make any difference.

Thank you for letting me know. The 35/1.4 SR lens is automatically recognized (Lens Detection) on both my current M10-M and the M10-R Black Chrome I used before getting the Black Paint version. However, there is a problem with the camera itself, and it's currently undergoing repairs at Leica NJ. In my last conversation, they mentioned it could be a firmware issue, even though the camera has the latest firmware and works perfectly in all other aspects except for this issue. It also doesn't recognize my 35/2 Cron ASPH lens, although it does recognize all my other 6-bit coded Leica and third-party lenses. It does not seem to be a widespread problem, just an odd issue with this specific body.

[Smudgerer]

12 minutes ago, Fred Miranda said:

Thank you for letting me know. The 35/1.4 SR lens is automatically recognized (Lens Detection) on both my current M10-M and the M10-R Black Chrome I used before getting the Black Paint version. However, there is a problem with the camera itself, and it's currently undergoing repairs at Leica NJ. In my last conversation, they mentioned it could be a firmware issue, even though the camera has the latest firmware and works perfectly in all other aspects except for this issue. It also doesn't recognize my 35/2 Cron ASPH lens, although it does recognize all my other 6-bit coded Leica and third-party lenses. It does not seem to be a widespread problem, just an odd issue with this specific body.

H'mmm.........I believe that the more electronics that Leica try to pack into the M body the more often we'll have these odd situations cropping up, one of the reasons why I will not upgrade beyond the M10 and I'm peddling backwards to using the film M's instead. My M10-D which is for me my favourite digital M so far, has been back to Wetzlar four times for electronic hiccups and it still can be erratically temperamental at times. The M11 and whatever comes next is not for me, they are only going to get more and more electronically complicated as Leica tries to pack more "features" into the M body and perhaps they'll be more unreliable because of all of that. I hope not of course, but it would not surprise me. Good luck with your M10-R BP.

[didier]

On 10/21/2023 at 4:01 PM, Al Brown said:

As I wrote in another thread:

I am in Switzerland right now and have found one brand new M10-R black paint in the sale section of a Swiss camera store Zumstein. It is available in their Lausanne office:

https://foto-zumstein.ch/de/leica-m10-r-geh-use-schwarz-lackiert-a133078
 

I have no affiliation with Foto Zumstein, just sharing. If you will become that lucky person who actually buys the BP after you see this post you can buy me coffee. Coffee in Switzerland is super expensive though, around 100CHF for a kilo 😄. I have paypal.

Didn’t see it soon enough, it is sold… I hope a fellow forum member got it !

[overexposed]

On 10/21/2023 at 4:01 PM, Al Brown said:

As I wrote in another thread:

I am in Switzerland right now and have found one brand new M10-R black paint in the sale section of a Swiss camera store Zumstein. It is available in their Lausanne office:

https://foto-zumstein.ch/de/leica-m10-r-geh-use-schwarz-lackiert-a133078
 

I have no affiliation with Foto Zumstein, just sharing. If you will become that lucky person who actually buys the BP after you see this post you can buy me coffee. Coffee in Switzerland is super expensive though, around 100CHF for a kilo 😄. I have paypal.

since its gone already, what was the price?

[overexposed]

1 hour ago, Al Brown said:

Regular M10-R Black Paint price, I think it was 7990 Swiss Franks.

that would be a no brainer then

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[Eoin]

I was looking for a M10-R BP after the M11-P release. But the price premium of a used BP or Black Chrome over a NOS Silver M10-R was far too much to ignore.

So I've consoled myself with a Silver R version to complement my M10, knowing that if I went BP ... the OCD would necessitate the addition of a BP lens ... eventually.

Either way, it was not too much of a compromise, it's only aesthetics after all. Now I'm looking forward to its arrival.