I ordered the m10-r black paint

[sn228]

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A new/sealed M10-R Black Paint has been listed in eBay for 12.999€

https://www.ebay.de/itm/205057397926?_skw=leica+m10-r+black+paint&itmmeta=01JATXTVCEHP1XB3TKXPMJG5BY&hash=item2fbe5f94a6:g:x-AAAOSwoMFnFh5r&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA4HoV3kP08IDx%2BKZ9MfhVJKnkyKnUsigHlzhJdgX0nIlXi62x04Mhb0l%2Bj254nClrBuxgJFGDPjSAJGN2IBr%2BrD0HVkyunVgZuM%2FwVNchlg7lhv%2FU3OHo4%2ByhCiRB%2B7A1L1MxbcRA2dbpB2aevnE1kDYui4%2BUKxF0mT%2F1U1fvtHAX8cEkLjkgwUgPIjz2F3flVIcaD0ho7u%2BBmRBTkfK%2BkqrhvvbZ2a8uwvy3X2qxsIA6%2FJhwKUiXKktWhFWxF7RSOfZMhkVpAZCClRtjKr%2BMEj3myRGijeTmgblTFuSIy27G|tkp%3ABk9SR7C2693WZA

 

[fan2024]

There is one with only 4 releases listed from Leica Classic a week ago for 9600 €, Cosmetically in very good condition with almost no visible signs of use. sold soon.

https://classic.leica-camera.com/en/Leica-M10-R-black-paint-20062/20062SH-5653937

[T25UFO]

Looks like the two BP listed by Mayfair have eventually sold.  I wonder if anyone actually paid the circa GBP 12k asking price?

[Winedemonium]

Made me smile seeing this thread still alive, lol.

I still have my M10-R BP. No regrets. I know that come the M12, that will be my next round of temptation. Until then, the M10-R BP is all I need (and still will be when the M12 comes, but as I said, temptation...). For me they perfected the shutter with the M10-P. When I want EVF (focus shift vintage glass) or IBIS (teles) I use an SL2. The M11 offered upgrades, but none that made a difference to me.

Sadly, I haven't even managed to scratch it yet, so that brass 'patina' has yet to come. No rush.

Forgive me if I missed it being mentioned already, but Fotopia (reputable firm) in Hong Kong has an M10-R BP for sale currently, US$12k. I imagine at some point the prices must slide a bit. A desirable finish, but this is, after all, a digital camera. 🤔

[Winedemonium]

The long-lingering rumour of an M11-P Black Paint edition just got a little more concrete on Leica Rumors - 
https://leicarumors.com/2024/11/16/rumored-leica-m11-camera-in-black-glossy-paint-leaked-online.aspx/#more-97272

....with a black paint 1.2 Noctilux, apparently. We'll have to wait and see if this is true, if its sold as a premium-priced set, or if indeed an M11-P Black Paint is available at the regular M11-P price (or a slight supplement). If available separately I imagine demand will be high this time - no stock lingering around like was the case with the M10-R BP. 

Also, I imagine it should push prices down a bit on M10-R BPs out there. 

[T25UFO]

On 11/17/2024 at 1:05 PM, Winedemonium said:

Also, I imagine it should push prices down a bit on M10-R BPs out there. 

I've said before that the M10R BP looks over-priced, but I'm proved wrong because there are selling . . . slowly but still selling.

The price / value of all digital cameras falls eventually.  I've never really understood why black paint - very nice, but just cosmetic - commands such a premium, but Leica Land is a strange place 🙂

Not sure an M11 BP will affect the price.  Despite all the "11" advantages, many still see the "10" as the last true Leica M . . . traditional baseplate etc.  Also, the M10R BP was a limited edition and its value won't be diluted by additional production.

[jakontil]

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18 hours ago, T25UFO said:

I've said before that the M10R BP looks over-priced, but I'm proved wrong because there are selling . . . slowly but still selling.

The price / value of all digital cameras falls eventually.  I've never really understood why black paint - very nice, but just cosmetic - commands such a premium, but Leica Land is a strange place 🙂

Not sure an M11 BP will affect the price.  Despite all the "11" advantages, many still see the "10" as the last true Leica M . . . traditional baseplate etc.  Also, the M10R BP was a limited edition and its value won't be diluted by additional production.

Pretty sure the M11 bp will run in limited production too with the imminent release of next gen M, just like the M10r BP when it was released..

i still wonder if the M10r was should have been there or just a stop gap considering the M10 series is the longest running production… i might be wrong 

[SnapJimmy]

6 hours ago, jakontil said:

Pretty sure the M11 bp will run in limited production too with the imminent release of next gen M, just like the M10r BP when it was released..

i still wonder if the M10r was should have been there or just a stop gap considering the M10 series is the longest running production… i might be wrong 

You make it sound as if an M11 BP is inevitable, but I lean strongly toward the belief that we won’t see a BP digital camera for a long time, if ever. Here’s why:

1. Material Challenges: The M11’s top plates are not made of brass, a material traditionally suitable for black paint finishes. Painting aluminum is far more complex, especially given that the bottom & battery cover aren’t even metal—it would also need to be painted, which introduces additional durability concerns. They will not go back to Brass top & bottom just to make BP M11s, not cost effective for a relatively small company like Leica.

2. Production Constraints: The M10-R BP’s plates were commissioned in Australia under different environmental and production standards compared to Germany. That was years ago, and as time passes, producing Leica cameras in BP has become increasingly challenging. Unless outsourced to a country like China, where costs and processes may differ, it seems impractical to replicate the BP finish for modern digital models.

3. Shift in Focus: Leica appears to have moved away from the classic BP approach. Their new "black paint" finishes on M11s are designed to be more durable, optimized for aluminum-bodied cameras, and better suited for modern production methods.

Regarding the MP line, it’s worth noting that BP models continue to exist because many of these brass plates were painted years ago. Leica is likely using up their stock, especially as there have been no significant design changes to the MP that would require new production runs.

In summary, while the idea of an M11 BP may sound appealing, the material, production, and strategic challenges make it highly unlikely.

[pedaes]

3 minutes ago, SnapJimmy said:

The M11’s top plates are not made of brass,

The Chrome M11's are brass.

...but your analysis is credible.

[Jeff S]

2 hours ago, SnapJimmy said:

You make it sound as if an M11 BP is inevitable, but I lean strongly toward the belief that we won’t see a BP digital camera for a long time, if ever. Here’s why:

1. Material Challenges: The M11’s top plates are not made of brass, a material traditionally suitable for black paint finishes. Painting aluminum is far more complex, especially given that the bottom & battery cover aren’t even metal—it would also need to be painted, which introduces additional durability concerns. They will not go back to Brass top & bottom just to make BP M11s, not cost effective for a relatively small company like Leica.

2. Production Constraints: The M10-R BP’s plates were commissioned in Australia under different environmental and production standards compared to Germany. That was years ago, and as time passes, producing Leica cameras in BP has become increasingly challenging. Unless outsourced to a country like China, where costs and processes may differ, it seems impractical to replicate the BP finish for modern digital models.

3. Shift in Focus: Leica appears to have moved away from the classic BP approach. Their new "black paint" finishes on M11s are designed to be more durable, optimized for aluminum-bodied cameras, and better suited for modern production methods.

Regarding the MP line, it’s worth noting that BP models continue to exist because many of these brass plates were painted years ago. Leica is likely using up their stock, especially as there have been no significant design changes to the MP that would require new production runs.

In summary, while the idea of an M11 BP may sound appealing, the material, production, and strategic challenges make it highly unlikely.

So you think the Rumors site is way off on this…

https://leicarumors.com/2024/11/16/rumored-leica-m11-camera-in-black-glossy-paint-leaked-online.aspx/
 

Jeff

[SnapJimmy]

2 hours ago, Jeff S said:

So you think the Rumors site is way off on this…

https://leicarumors.com/2024/11/16/rumored-leica-m11-camera-in-black-glossy-paint-leaked-online.aspx/
 

Jeff

Hope I am totally off, I would love it.

[Jeff S]

7 hours ago, SnapJimmy said:

Hope I am totally off, I would love it.

Confirmed by dealers; orders taken.

Jeff

[SnapJimmy]

3 hours ago, Jeff S said:

Confirmed by dealers; orders taken.

Jeff

Hard to believe until I see it on Leica site.

[Jeff S]

1 hour ago, SnapJimmy said:

Hard to believe until I see it on Leica site.

Rumors now says announcement tomorrow.

Jeff

[jakontil]

17 hours ago, SnapJimmy said:

You make it sound as if an M11 BP is inevitable, but I lean strongly toward the belief that we won’t see a BP digital camera for a long time, if ever. Here’s why:

1. Material Challenges: The M11’s top plates are not made of brass, a material traditionally suitable for black paint finishes. Painting aluminum is far more complex, especially given that the bottom & battery cover aren’t even metal—it would also need to be painted, which introduces additional durability concerns. They will not go back to Brass top & bottom just to make BP M11s, not cost effective for a relatively small company like Leica.

2. Production Constraints: The M10-R BP’s plates were commissioned in Australia under different environmental and production standards compared to Germany. That was years ago, and as time passes, producing Leica cameras in BP has become increasingly challenging. Unless outsourced to a country like China, where costs and processes may differ, it seems impractical to replicate the BP finish for modern digital models.

3. Shift in Focus: Leica appears to have moved away from the classic BP approach. Their new "black paint" finishes on M11s are designed to be more durable, optimized for aluminum-bodied cameras, and better suited for modern production methods.

Regarding the MP line, it’s worth noting that BP models continue to exist because many of these brass plates were painted years ago. Leica is likely using up their stock, especially as there have been no significant design changes to the MP that would require new production runs.

In summary, while the idea of an M11 BP may sound appealing, the material, production, and strategic challenges make it highly unlikely.

Not all M11 top and bottom is aluminum, i have the silver chrome which is of brass..

im pretty certain it’s coming 😊

[Jeff S]

12 hours ago, SnapJimmy said:

Hard to believe until I see it on Leica site.

Believe it…

 

Your post might have been logical, but Leica marches to its own drummer.
 

Jeff

Edited November 21, 2024 by Jeff S

[SnapJimmy]

5 minutes ago, Jeff S said:

Believe it…

 

Your post might have been logical, but Leica marches to its own drummer.
 

Jeff

LoL, I am pleased to know that I was wrong. However, I was surprised to see how similar it looks to the M10-R BP. In the past, black paint digital Leicas—like the M8.2, M9-P, M-P, M-D, and M10-R—have always had distinct and authentic differences. This one feels like it strays from that tradition.

[Jeff S]

The “tradition” started around 1925.

https://cameraquest.com/lm3blk.htm
 

Jeff

[Ted Lemon]

New MP GP = Not a limited edition? 

Edited November 21, 2024 by Ted Lemon

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[Winedemonium]

I'm pleased for those who missed out on the M10-R BP, and I'm glad there is no nonsense about 'limited editions'. This, in the past, has filled pages and pages on this forum, when it's worked out that the items become.... limited to demand. As we know, the only way to know with Leica that it is limited, is when they put the series xx/xxx physically on the product. So, if you want a BP M11-P or 1.2 Noct, go for it! They look great! 

I was curious to find my own pulse did not quicken. I'll wait to see what the M12 brings, or perhaps hold out for some sort of EVF/OVF hybrid, or M form factor pure EVF. Not out of love... just ageing eyesight! But I digress... I know this M11-P BP will bring a lot of people a lot of pleasure.