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3 hours ago, cirke said:

if it is the same price than the Q2  it is maybe a good idea to take a Q2 as 28mm for the SL2 

The point has been made even more impressively by those who have chosen a Q2 ($5k) in lieu of a 28 Summilux ($7300) to accompany the M10R (a combo totaling $15,600).

Jeff

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vor 42 Minuten schrieb Steven:

I see advantages of the 28SL over the Q2. Especially for SL2-S user. You will get way better AF than the Q2. Probably slightly better image quality. The possibility of making videos at 28mm, and of course, way way way way way way way better low light with your 28mm SL. 

Hi Steven,

please let me ask: why esp. for SL2-S users?  I‘m thinking such beautiful lenses like all the Summicron-SLs are shining with the high-res SL2 much better.

Thanks!

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vor 6 Stunden schrieb Steven:

Especially SL2-S user because they have some major advantages over the Q2 that SL2 users don't have, or at least don't have to the same extent. They are: 

- serious video possibilities (not the case on the Q2, not the case on the SL2)

- extreme low light performance (not the case at all on the Q2, not really the case either on the SL2)

- better AF performance (way better than the Q2, slightly better than the SL2, and the AF gap between the SL2-S and the SL2 should get wider this spring, at least temporarily). 

Hope that answered your question. 

Not let's watch the SL2-S users agree with me, and the SL2 users bitterly disagree with me 😂 but they know I'm right. 

Leica's SL2-Body (with Sony's A1-Tech implemented😇) & a set of SL-Apo-Summicrons (e.g. 35 resp. 28 + 75 resp. 90) would be the very best😇😇...

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9 hours ago, Steven said:

Especially SL2-S user because they have some major advantages over the Q2 that SL2 users don't have, or at least don't have to the same extent. They are: 

- serious video possibilities (not the case on the Q2, not the case on the SL2)

- extreme low light performance (not the case at all on the Q2, not really the case either on the SL2)

- better AF performance (way better than the Q2, slightly better than the SL2, and the AF gap between the SL2-S and the SL2 should get wider this spring, at least temporarily). 

Hope that answered your question. 

Not let's watch the SL2-S users agree with me, and the SL2 users bitterly disagree with me 😂 but they know I'm right. 

I agree with Steven’s points, originally I had the SL2 and then swapped it for SL2-S and his points above match my experience. Superb results still with my SL35, 50, 90 and 24-90.

My SL2 also had issues with battery warnings that prevented the use of 4K video and high FPS when I still had say 50% battery remaining, many others had this also. So far my SL2-S hasn’t displayed this.

I was also slightly disappointed with the 47mb sensor regarding high ISO performance which it appears to be weak with (likewise the Q2), when I received my M10R this just compounded it for me as I believe it’s 40mb sensor is the better high res performer.

I also have a hunch that Panasonic will release their S2 and S2R this year and they have to improve their AF performance significantly to remain competitive and increase sales, the SL2’s 47mb sensor could therefore be a dead end in terms of significant firmware updates but of course it depends on your usage. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Steven said:

Typical reaction of the Leica user that watches the competition light years ahead in terms of tech. "I don't need it", "I don't want a computer in my hands", etc.

I have a A7R3  since 2 years with the best GM lenses, I am selling all, best files and within the best lenses , but the worst camera I have ever owned

for  the rest ... thanks I know very well

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6 minutes ago, Steven said:

Nice. Share your experience with us. You’re sellling for what exactly ? And tell us why ? 
i need someone to remind me to be happy with my sl2s and not buy the a1

 the A7R3 with the 85mm 1.4 GM is what all Leica users like  : soft and sharp at the same time , 3D,  boke perfect 

BUT this is the worst ergonomics and menu you can imagine

I like Leica's aesthetics and simplicity, no needs to think, I used to have a M and now a CL, I am selling all Sony for the SL2
 

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3 hours ago, Steven said:

Nice. Share your experience with us. You’re sellling for what exactly ? And tell us why ? 
i need someone to remind me to be happy with my sl2s and not buy the a1

a Sony camera will not match the colors of a Leica period. I have both been in Leica and Sony, and the Sony could not match them in this regard. They make great cameras and lenses but the colors are different.

The new A1 has better auto White Balance than before because it has more red instead of green, but you will never have the colors as you have on your current gear.

When I had the Sony A9 with adapters to my Summilux 35 and 50. The results was good but it was not the same league as on Leica.

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Sony a7R3 was one of the top selling mirrorless FF cameras.. not everyone is chasing the Leica look or the colors.. majority of the users/buyers don't even know there is a difference and they're satisfied with the rendering.. that said, I like the images from my SL2 a LOT better than I like the ones from my Sony a9.. unless it's that of a BIF which is where it truly stands out

jus saying..

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10 minutes ago, Steven said:

I would rather say "not everyone is chasing the Leica price point..."

Because, in truth, everyone is chasing Leica colours over Sony colours. Some just don't know it yet.... 

Sure.. they don’t know what they’re missing perhaps! 

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1 hour ago, aksclix said:

.. majority of the users/buyers don't even know there is a difference and they're satisfied with the rendering.

So true. I knew and saw it the difference before being Leica, but to be honest, I didn't appreciate it as now (after almost 3 years)

16 minutes ago, Steven said:

Because, in truth, everyone is chasing Leica colours over Sony colours. Some just don't know it yet

Agree! Not everyone maybe, but most of them. "Some just don't know it yet" is just beautiful! 😂

 

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