SL2-S

[Tom1234]

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9 minutes ago, Steven said:

https://leicarumors.com/2020/11/03/the-rumored-leica-sl2-s-camera-could-be-a-small-version-of-the-sl2.aspx/

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I am really hoping the next Leica L camera will be based on the Panasonic S5 their new small one.  After Leica waves their magic wand over this it is likely to be improved for Leica-M manual lens use.  An issue with other mirrorless is a fast focus magnification, magnify in and then back out, on a single button, naturally under your fingers as you hold the camera.  They need to solve this on the Leica "small mirrorless" camera otherwise a person might as well buy a Nikon Z6. 

https://www.dpreview.com/articles/2658622710/hands-on-with-the-panasonic-lumix-s5

[jaapv]

I  find the thumbwheel solution  on the CL eminently practical. Far better than any button.

 

However, body size is not an issue for the SL(2). The hugeous lenses are the real problem. A smaller body won't solve that.
This hypothetical camera looks more like a concession to the call for an M-EVF.  As I argued before, Leica cannot adapt the M mount to a mirrorless system technically, so any camera in that direction would need the L-mount plus adapter. If they are smart, they will give the  thing an M-shape and maybe even call it SL-M.

[MediaFotografie]

vor 4 Stunden schrieb jaapv:

IHowever, body size is not an issue for the SL(2). The hugeous lenses are the real problem. A smaller body won't solve that.
 

exactly! Why should Leica develop a smaller body? To sell more lenses from Sigma and Panasonic?

 🙂

and it's called SL2-S - so I assume the SL2 Body and some modifications, maybe 34 MP Sensor

[jaapv]

7 minutes ago, Steven said:

Also, you forget that a good 50% of SL owners use it with M lenses. That makes it a really cool package, and a smaller SL with M lenses would because an incredible alternative to the M system I think. 

Exactly the point I made. In reality it won't be an SL but an M addition.

[panoreserve]

vor 4 Stunden schrieb jaapv:

I  find the thumbwheel solution  on the CL eminently practical. Far better than any button.

 

However, body size is not an issue for the SL(2). The hugeous lenses are the real problem. A smaller body won't solve that.
This hypothetical camera looks more like a concession to the call for an M-EVF.  As I argued before, Leica cannot adapt the M mount to a mirrorless system technically, so any camera in that direction would need the L-mount plus adapter. If they are smart, they will give the  thing an M-shape and maybe even call it SL-M.

The SL-Summicrons are not „hugeous“...SL&SL2 and (e.g.) SL 35mm do match perfectly.

[jaapv]

Yes, but in general, mirrorless cameras are really at their optimum with zoom lenses, with the primes for more detailed use.

[frame-it]

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i wonder if its coming on this date..

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[Simone_DF]

1 hour ago, mediafotografie said:

exactly! Why should Leica develop a smaller body? To sell more lenses from Sigma and Panasonic?

 🙂

To sell more M lenses to people craving for a EVF M that are not interested in using a rangefinder

[jplomley]

14 minutes ago, frame-it said:

i wonder if its coming on this date..

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Probably an M11 announcement based on the date ?

[jaapv]

It would be an echo of the M9...

[lx1713]

33 minutes ago, jaapv said:

It would be an echo of the M9...

Jaapv, are you cheerleading this thread 😊

[panoreserve]

vor einer Stunde schrieb jaapv:

Yes, but in general, mirrorless cameras are really at their optimum with zoom lenses, with the primes for more detailed use.

? Lens-choice does not „depend“ on camera-technology (DSLR/Rangefinder/Mirrorless) - at least not to me...

[Charles Morgan]

2 hours ago, jaapv said:

Exactly the point I made. In reality it won't be an SL but an M addition.

This is starting to look very much like the answer to my digital photography requirements. 

[lx1713]

I would chime in and say while I like a 24mp version of the SL2 (this alone is very helpful to me), I do hope there's other performance enhancements that will expand their market.

There really isn't any need for a lower end SL2 because of the Panasonic cameras and the 2nd hand market to cater to those with lesser budgets.

I would rather they reach into niches that only a small company can and still make a profit and satisfy a group of dedicated users. The SL2 is plenty able to meet general needs.

[LocalHero1953]

I wouldn't get excited about a smaller SL-looks body. I have sold most of my M lenses and have no wish to revert to manual focus.

But I have always preferred the simple shape of the M, Q and TL, to those with bumps, like the SL. The CL is almost there, but a bit of levelling out with an angle grinder would produce a nice CL2. An SL2-S that is a cut down SL2 in a M-shaped body (unlikely to be M-sized) would be attractive. It would be pointless for me, since I use the SL2 with the L lenses, and I suspect I would find anything smaller unbalanced.

Why call it an SL if it is going to be aimed at users with M lenses? Because if they called it an M all the dinosaurs would crawl out of the woodwork (pardon the mixed metaphors) and harrumph that "M stands for Messsucher and always will and always has, ever since the Leica M1".

But actually I think this announcement will be for a Q2 Monochrom.

[lx1713]

4 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said:

I wouldn't get excited about a smaller SL-looks body. I have sold most of my M lenses and have no wish to revert to manual focus.

But I have always preferred the simple shape of the M, Q and TL, to those with bumps, like the SL. The CL is almost there, but a bit of levelling out with an angle grinder would produce a nice CL2. An SL2-S that is a cut down SL2 in a M-shaped body (unlikely to be M-sized) would be attractive. It would be pointless for me, since I use the SL2 with the L lenses, and I suspect I would find anything smaller unbalanced.

Why call it an SL if it is going to be aimed at users with M lenses? Because if they called it an M all the dinosaurs would crawl out of the woodwork (pardon the mixed metaphors) and harrumph that "M stands for Messsucher and always will and always has, ever since the Leica M1".

But actually I think this announcement will be for a Q2 Monochrom.

This is a niche and a very nice niche. One day I will get myself a Monochrom. I have a Q2 and I love how incredible it can deliver in a fraction of time fiddling with an SL would have lost me.

[Simone_DF]

13 minutes ago, lx1713 said:

This is a niche and a very nice niche. One day I will get myself a Monochrom. I have a Q2 and I love how incredible it can deliver in a fraction of time fiddling with an SL would have lost me.

Is it really a niche though? Because given the success of M mount lenses adapted to Sony, Voigtlander has started to release lenses in FE mount first, and M mount later, see the 21mm 1.4 for example, or exclusive to Sony.

[jaapv]

2 hours ago, panoreserve said:

? Lens-choice does not „depend“ on camera-technology (DSLR/Rangefinder/Mirrorless) - at least not to me...

Well, in fact it does in this case, because both the EVF technology and electronic integration make the use of zoom lenses considerably more practical on a mirrorless camera. Camera technology does matter - for instance the fully manual RF technology of a rangefinder will certainly impact your lens choice. Try mounting an 80-200 on the M9.

[jaapv]

1 hour ago, LocalHero1953 said:

Why call it an SL if it is going to be aimed at users with M lenses?

Because it will have an L mount?

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[lx1713]

53 minutes ago, Simone_DF said:

Is it really a niche though? Because given the success of M mount lenses adapted to Sony, Voigtlander has started to release lenses in FE mount first, and M mount later, see the 21mm 1.4 for example, or exclusive to Sony.

In this case, I do not consider a Q2 to be a niche but a Q2 Monochrom is a niche camera to me. I don't know of any camera manufacturers that come out with so many monochrome cameras in the last decade.