xiaubauu2009 Posted March 31, 2020 Share #81  Posted March 31, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) On 3/29/2020 at 3:53 PM, Chaemono said: Let's show a couple for sharpness and resolution of detail. Less compressed JPEGs here: https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-JkgxSt/ S3 + 120 Summarit wide open as shot handheld. DNG download here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g736249703-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=dFro7h7dhkBC4YS5bEzloigz2cAAjK--QNcBgFvOIBc= Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ISO 100 f/2.5 @1/1500 sec. Same as above processed and cropped Ahhh, the good ol blue grey tint of Leica S Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chaemono Posted March 31, 2020 Author Share #82  Posted March 31, 2020 vor 7 Stunden schrieb davidmknoble: @Chaemono, now that you have shot a little bit with the S3, what is your opinion of the focus?  Not asking about speed, but how well do you feel you get the focus first time... When there isn't enough contrast, I don't get the focus first time, when there is, I do.  I shot the X1D II with the XCD 80/1.9 next to it and the Hassy is less reliable. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted March 31, 2020 Author Share #83  Posted March 31, 2020 vor einer Stunde schrieb xiaubauu2009: Ahhh, the good ol blue grey tint of Leica S There is some of that in daylight.  I find the AWB by the camera very accurate in low-light OTOH. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xiaubauu2009 Posted March 31, 2020 Share #84  Posted March 31, 2020 4 hours ago, Chaemono said: There is some of that in daylight.  I find the AWB by the camera very accurate in low-light OTOH. Their color is acceptably accurate. At least it's with a style that is pleasing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted March 31, 2020 Share #85  Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, xiaubauu2009 said: Their color is acceptably accurate. At least it's with a style that is pleasing. Personally, I love the S006 colours (at low ISO). Which sensor/system do you prefer regarding colours? (just curious). Edited March 31, 2020 by helged 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milan_S Posted March 31, 2020 Share #86  Posted March 31, 2020 2 hours ago, helged said: Personally, I love the S006 colours (at low ISO). Which sensor/system do you prefer regarding colours? (just curious). The S CCD color is still my prefered too the S007 needs a bit more tweaking to get the skin color right. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmknoble Posted March 31, 2020 Share #87  Posted March 31, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 4 hours ago, helged said: Personally, I love the S006 colours (at low ISO). Which sensor/system do you prefer regarding colours? (just curious). You know, its interesting, I always loved the color in the M9 CCD with little adjustment and I've learned over time to adjust the CMOS colors to get what I want.  That said, I've considered getting a used S006 as a second body to use on the beach, but I like the extra dynamic range of the S007.  I had an S2P first and the change to the S007 was dramatic, but I'm not sure how big the change is from the S006 to the S007. But I also do landscape work as opposed to portraiture (and skin colors) so different genre.  Interesting to see you and @Milan_S both prefer the CCD.... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZHNL Posted March 31, 2020 Share #88  Posted March 31, 2020 My color preference: S006 > X1dII=SL2 > S007 not necessarily one is more accurate than others. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted March 31, 2020 Share #89  Posted March 31, 2020 2 hours ago, ZHNL said: My color preference: S006 > X1dII=SL2 > S007 not necessarily one is more accurate than others. Thanks. Im not sure how/where to put the M9 (sold many years ago, thinking of getting a refurbushed), but regarding more recent bodies, I will say (colour wise): S006 > SL2 > SL > M240. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xiaubauu2009 Posted April 1, 2020 Share #90  Posted April 1, 2020 20 hours ago, helged said: Personally, I love the S006 colours (at low ISO). Which sensor/system do you prefer regarding colours? (just curious). Preference is definitely leaning towards leica. It's easy to edit to get pleasing feel. The worse is probably Fujifilm and P1... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Warwick Posted April 1, 2020 Share #91  Posted April 1, 2020 Colour wise, for me, yes, images off the S006 look lovely ....but more recently I’m really delighted with what I’m getting from the SL2, which is a massive upgrade from either my M240 and M10. I’d probably go S006 =/> SL2 > S007 > SL > M10 > M240.  1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted April 1, 2020 Share #92  Posted April 1, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, xiaubauu2009 said: Preference is definitely leaning towards leica. It's easy to edit to get pleasing feel. The worse is probably Fujifilm and P1... Thanks! Admittedly, I only have (digital) experience with Leica and Nikon. The latter for wild life, but now sold (D500, D5 and D850; the Nikon DSLRs are super for quick focus, high fps and low light (D5 in particular), but hardly for colour, at least not for me...). Edited April 1, 2020 by helged 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZHNL Posted April 1, 2020 Share #93  Posted April 1, 2020 21 hours ago, helged said: Thanks. Im not sure how/where to put the M9 (sold many years ago, thinking of getting a refurbushed), but regarding more recent bodies, I will say (colour wise): S006 > SL2 > SL > M240. M9 actually has different color characteristics to S2/S006 even they are all CCD. S2/S006 are a lot more neutral and pleasing in my eyes compare almost slid film rendering M9. I like m9 compare to later M240 or M10 but I don't have strong preference, I feel they(m9,m10,m240) are just different. certainly I don't have the same strong preference as S006 to S007 in term of color rendering.  Both M10 and M240 have quite similar color treatment to me with slightly better response from M10. They both offer neutral (a little muted) color IMHO. I don't think they are shining for color tonality compare to other digital body but they do both offer easy to deal with color for skin tone for portraits and good not on your face color for other application. S007 was a downgrade for me in term of color, this is one of biggest disappointments I have with the S system now. S was really shining for color work especially for Portrait and this was one of biggest selling point of the system and admittedly one of the reason I was buying into the system. I can definitely make S007 images works but I couldn't help thinking what if those images made with early S? Having said that, S007 is a much improved system in term of real world using that offer many advantage to S006/S2 I appreciate. I am patiently waiting for more S3 images to make judgement. SL2 has very nice color, strong but also pleasing. I had Panasonic S1 as well, surprisingly these two are quite similar that both offer strong orange and red hue resolution which I personally prefer. I think Panasonic is really know color from their video background. SL2 is benefit from that through this alliance. SL2 is my favorite digital body, bar none due to superb UI and compatibility it has with S, R and M glasses.  I couldn't ask for more.   If you are open to other system, Panasonic, Nikon Z and Canon R are all offer good color now. Nikon Z has slightly different color than their DSLR and IMHO better. Nowdays, I feel it is really the ergonomics, UI, menu system, build quality, user experience and AF capability define which system you like to use.   The IQ are converging. Ideally, it would be nice you could have multiple systems to work with as really they are all shine in certain field and sucks on others. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xiaubauu2009 Posted April 3, 2020 Share #94  Posted April 3, 2020 On 4/2/2020 at 3:04 AM, ZHNL said: M9 actually has different color characteristics to S2/S006 even they are all CCD. S2/S006 are a lot more neutral and pleasing in my eyes compare almost slid film rendering M9. I like m9 compare to later M240 or M10 but I don't have strong preference, I feel they(m9,m10,m240) are just different. certainly I don't have the same strong preference as S006 to S007 in term of color rendering.  Both M10 and M240 have quite similar color treatment to me with slightly better response from M10. They both offer neutral (a little muted) color IMHO. I don't think they are shining for color tonality compare to other digital body but they do both offer easy to deal with color for skin tone for portraits and good not on your face color for other application. S007 was a downgrade for me in term of color, this is one of biggest disappointments I have with the S system now. S was really shining for color work especially for Portrait and this was one of biggest selling point of the system and admittedly one of the reason I was buying into the system. I can definitely make S007 images works but I couldn't help thinking what if those images made with early S? Having said that, S007 is a much improved system in term of real world using that offer many advantage to S006/S2 I appreciate. I am patiently waiting for more S3 images to make judgement. SL2 has very nice color, strong but also pleasing. I had Panasonic S1 as well, surprisingly these two are quite similar that both offer strong orange and red hue resolution which I personally prefer. I think Panasonic is really know color from their video background. SL2 is benefit from that through this alliance. SL2 is my favorite digital body, bar none due to superb UI and compatibility it has with S, R and M glasses.  I couldn't ask for more.   If you are open to other system, Panasonic, Nikon Z and Canon R are all offer good color now. Nikon Z has slightly different color than their DSLR and IMHO better. Nowdays, I feel it is really the ergonomics, UI, menu system, build quality, user experience and AF capability define which system you like to use.   The IQ are converging. Ideally, it would be nice you could have multiple systems to work with as really they are all shine in certain field and sucks on others. Love your S006 stuff. I use to like this Fujifilm film sims stuff, but lately I find it to have too much of a leaning towards one side or another (too flat, too desaturated, or too damn contrasty and too vivid) that it is vey difficult to use at times. Or either I start from scratch which is too bothersome! hahahah. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted April 3, 2020 Share #95  Posted April 3, 2020 (edited) On 4/1/2020 at 2:04 PM, ZHNL said: SL2 has very nice color, strong but also pleasing. I had Panasonic S1 as well, surprisingly these two are quite similar that both offer strong orange and red hue resolution which I personally prefer. I think Panasonic is really know color from their video background. SL2 is benefit from that through this alliance. SL2 is my favorite digital body, bar none due to superb UI and compatibility it has with S, R and M glasses.  I couldn't ask for more.   Ditto. So I have to ask myself, why am I wandering around this forum, peeking at @Chaemono's S3 DNGs? Edited April 3, 2020 by John Smith Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted April 3, 2020 Share #96  Posted April 3, 2020 The Panasonic S1 in the natural profile is my second or third favorite after the S006 and then M9. It really does have lovely color. Have not had the SL2, but I would bet it would be up there as well. I bet that if I compared it to the M9, I would likely prefer the S1 these days...so much more dynamic range. But the M9 still produces fantastic out of camera images. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgrayson3 Posted April 3, 2020 Share #97  Posted April 3, 2020 (edited) While I still believe that different cameras (never mind lenses) have their own "looks", I'm increasingly convinced that MUCH of what we see are the profiles provided with our favorite RAW processors. The color of a blue sky is a good example. VERY slight changes can turn a natural sky into a purple or cyan alien sky. The Fuji cameras all seemed to have terrible color until they provided their own profiles to LR and C1. The absence of good Leica S profiles in C1 make the colors slightly but annoyingly off. The OOC look of S(006) files, by which, I suppose, I mean Adobe Default, is very pleasant. But if you start to play around with any camera's profile, you end up in your own surprising place, and then the defaults seem weird. It's like the old saying "A person with one watch knows what time it is. A person with two is never sure." So, for me, it comes down to how hard it is to get the look I want. Leicas are always very good that way. 😎 Matt Edited April 3, 2020 by mgrayson3 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaW Posted April 3, 2020 Share #98 Â Posted April 3, 2020 Once profiled using the great macbeth chart &Â the adobe tool with different illuminants I didn't see much difference between my S2 and S007. Still add to tweak the S007 just a little bit and it was all good. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted April 3, 2020 Share #99  Posted April 3, 2020 (edited) I am referring to the cameras with their own profiles (embedded) or with a custom profile. I prefer Camera Natural for the S1. Adobe Profiles are usually not to my taste, though they do tend to be the best in mixed lighting scenarios. I sense there is a bit more to it than just the raw conversion profile, however. I think the tuning of the sensor also has something to do with how the camera represents color, but perhaps I am off base here. Edited April 3, 2020 by Stuart Richardson 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZHNL Posted April 3, 2020 Share #100  Posted April 3, 2020 It is not just profile. It is a lot more complicated than that. And I can clearly see manufacture made big effort on it now based on my experience with different brand. That is all I can say. The hardware implementation makes big difference. Otherwise, you won’t see Leica made the claim that S3 improves color if it is just a profile. I finally am able to try X1D2, the color is indeed so good, so consistent over wide range of light condition. you would think why many people talk about that if they are all Basically the same With just a few slider movement. I think it is indeed one of best I ever seen, maybe more accurate than S006, however, my preference of skin tone still goes to S006, and skin tone is all that matters to me when we are talking about camera colors. Other stuff, I can do heavy process if I want. If you can match your output with different camera without any preference, good for you. That is all I can say:) Peace! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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