davidmknoble

So, if I understand you, when I reach the limit of the Lens-sensor system, it does not get worse, it just does not get better? Yes? I agree with that if it is where you’re headed.

Yes, until the contrast of the line pairs is less than the the additional pixels can capture. The reverse of the nyquist limit? But in general, that has been the case. My point was more that the SL lenses are made for the future, and we are lucky we have so many! : - )

Let me get this straight. The SL lens development began almost 10 years ago and we now have the following lenses from Leica (even if rebranded) that are Leica weather sealed and coated. Zooms APO 90-280 24-90 (almost apo) 16-35 14-28 24-70 100-400 with a 1.4x extender Primes 50 lux APO 50 cron 50 cron APO 35 cron 35 cron APO 28 APO 21 APO 75 APO 90 Yet, over the entire S development there were only these lenses made: 24mm, 30mm, 35mm, 45mm, 70mm, 120mm, 180mm, 35-70 zoom and 120mm T/S That is 9 lenses (ignoring a variant for the central shutter, same lens, different shutter) versus 15 lenses. Leica has continued to develop both retro lenses and new lenses for the M series including new variants of the prime ‘luxes with more blades, integrated sun hoods, a Noctilux 75 and 90 and an APO 35 that is about the same as the APO SL 35. This ignores the M11 series which actually brought us the SL3 sensor. Leica has done an incredible job of development and continues to make lenses that will stand much higher megapixel sensors. One of the design criteria for the APO SL primes (my understanding) was that the center resolution would provide 50% contrast at 200 LPM. For such a small company to invest in making lenses relevant for a long period is amazing in my view. Missing one or two lenses form an old roadmap is (IMO) an unreasonable complaint.

@SoCalLeicanator, I did look at the Luminx S series lenses for the L mount. And the Pro series says this: Dust/splash/freeze-resistant design withstands use under harsh conditions for high mobility Which fits what I would say is similar to the Leica SL lenses. The 50mm f/1.4 Pro Luminix S lens, not an APO lens, is $2,299 USD. That is similar to the non APO Leica SL lenses (35, 50). However the basic Panasonic S series lenses are not sealed like this and run much less. The Luminix S 50mm f/1.8 lens is $449 USD. That lens is not weather sealed. So, Panasonic offers a much higher cost lens series that is listed as weather ‘resistent’ and might be much better sealed. You ultimately get what you pay for and I have shot the Leica SL and S lenses in rainstorms, snow and ice and sand and salt. I have done this for 5 years with no lens ever failing. So, my point is, the SL lenses are well sealed - the other brands of L lenses are not as well sealed and they tell you that.

Again, on the Sigma Art lenses, this is from the 14mm 2.8 Sigma Art lens manual: • This lens is not waterproof. When you use the lens in the rain or near water, keep it from getting wet. It is often impractical to repair the internal mechanism, lens elements and electric components damaged by water.

No, good discussion! Here is something I posted showing the descriptions of the Sigma lenses from their website and instructions. They are weather resistant, they have rubber seals at the lens mount, but that is all. Leica has rubber rings on all of the openings in the lenses, very different. I rinse mine off with a hose after shooting on the coast. I would not ever do that with a Sigma.

Yes, I was just responding to the person that just attached it and set it down. If the LCD is turned away or you put the camera in the bag, it wouldn't hurt to blink an LCD. I'm fine with the current solution and have never had a problem.

But you have to find my car, know it's mine and then get it, rather than sit in another country and scrape it off the internet and know that it is mine. The serial number is also visible on my Leica. Again, just my opinion.

This is really simple. If anyone has an M11 with freezing problems, put the first 3-4 digits of your serial number. It is unlikely that every odd number or ever camera serial number ending in 37 has a problem, but it could be that every M11 that starts with 559 has a problem. BTW, I do not ever give out my expensive camera serial numbers, or my vehicle VIN numbers, or the bond numbers of bonds that I have invested in. I own them all, but in general less specific information the better. I do have friends adept at the dark web, and you have no clue the information about you on the dark web. Especially with AI that can now scour public forums, I guarantee information here is being collected. So, why help?

Likely in camera compression of DNG files. New Masestro chip means faster processing. Just guessing, don’t know yet, but hope to have a copy to test end of this month.

I am excited about the SL3 and will keep the SL2-S with it, letting go of the SL2. The SL2-S is a great camera and I really enjoy the files from it. I also enjoy the M11 files and the ability to set the DNG size allows small fast image generation and slower larger images. Most of my work is at the coast, which means wind and ocean waves. I use slower shutter speeds in the 1/4 to 30 second range, so IBIS is useless. In fact, IBIS is only good for fairly still subjects. If my shutter speed is so slow that I get camera shake, then the subject would be blurry anyway and IBIS doesn’t fix that. In addition, the multi-shot combination in the SL2-S doesn’t work with moving subjects well (wind, waves). I see the SL3 as the best of the SL2-S, the M11 and the S3, with lenses to back it up. I also happen to use the Hasselblad X2D, which also takes the CFe B cards, so the SL3 helps me take a set of memory cards that will now be cross-compatible. All of the other stuff in the SL3, the tilt screen, the extra dial, doesn’t matter to me - I can take it or leave it. The only thing I really wish Leica had done was keep the body size the same. Each SL version changes size, so my Really Right Stuff brackets and the handgrips all need swapped out. With the M, my brackets and cases work from my M3 up to my MP (film) and the M10 forward. The constant need to swap accessories is a pain. I’ll keep both and use the SL2-S with more of the longer focal lengths where I don’t have to crop as much (and I also use many of the R lenses like the APO 70-180 f/2.8, the 80-200 f/4, and the APO 280 f/2.8) which will do well with either body.

Just curious, do you think the power button will turn on accidentally when packed in a cube or suitcase? I’m back and forth on it, but I understand why they made the change. Just curious what you think.

A final aside on the lens discussions. Remember that the Leica SL lenses are sealed - sand and water. I use them in pretty harsh conditions and have not had them fail. The sigmas and panasonics are weather resistent. It is different. Either way, the best camera and lens is one you go out and shoot images with!

Most SL firmwares also update lenses. The pros I have talked with all update the firmware and then take awhile and attach each lens one by one to update the lens firmware. It might be nice if the LED blinked to let the user now it was updating (and maybe it does and I didn’t look). Because of this, I have not ever seen Leica publish a list of lens firmwares. You update the camera and get any lens updates.

If you have not used the SL system before, there are a significant number of settings. I believe there is a setting for live preview either all the time (Permanent) or when the shutter is pressed. I leave mine on Permanent so that I can view and adjust the exposure. Also, there are some dynamic range settings for the JPEG’s that sometimes cause the EVF to be noisy (in my opinion). Finally, I believe, but I am not sure, that you can set the refresh rate on the EVF and if memory serves, the lower refresh rate is better. The SL system is simple on the outside, but customizable and complex on the inside. Regardless of the lenses, I think it will be an upgrade on image quality. The M11 is the same sensor and the closest I have seen to the S3.