Chaemono Posted April 8, 2020 Author Share #121 Posted April 8, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) I agree. I’ll try to see how the SL2 with the 120 Summarit-S performs vs. the S3. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hans-Dieter Gülicher Posted April 9, 2020 Share #122 Posted April 9, 2020 (edited) Attached some pictures taken with S3 + 30-90 mm lens. dng > ACR/Photoshop tif-file > 1200 px jpg-file. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited April 9, 2020 by Hans-Dieter Gülicher 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/307652-lets-have-a-look-at-some-dng-files-from-the-s3/?do=findComment&comment=3950023'>More sharing options...
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Sarnian Posted April 9, 2020 Share #126 Posted April 9, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Hans-Dieter Gülicher said: Attached some pictures taken with S3 + 30-90 mm lens. How does your 30-90mm perform in the extreme corners? Mine are blurry (and that's after sending it to Leica for adjustment). I think of my 30-90mm more as a 35-90mm and I only use 30mm in a pinch. Shame. Edited April 9, 2020 by Sarnian 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans-Dieter Gülicher Posted April 9, 2020 Share #127 Posted April 9, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) I suppose it`s a "small" problem of this rather expensive lense but as to my handling of my pictures (landscape and nature) normally I use crops. That means it`s not that much significant for me (my adjustment usually about 30 - 50 mm). Have a nice day without Covid-19 and best regards Hans Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidmknoble Posted April 9, 2020 Share #128 Posted April 9, 2020 5 hours ago, Sarnian said: How does your 30-90mm perform in the extreme corners? Mine are blurry (and that's after sending it to Leica for adjustment). I think of my 30-90mm more as a 35-90mm and I only use 30mm in a pinch. Shame. The 30-S prime is sharp in the corners stopped down just a little, but that is the difference between primes and zooms almost universally... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarnian Posted April 9, 2020 Share #129 Posted April 9, 2020 3 hours ago, davidmknoble said: The 30-S prime is sharp in the corners stopped down just a little, but that is the difference between primes and zooms almost universally... Yes, I had the 30mm Elmarit. A really good lens. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted April 9, 2020 Share #130 Posted April 9, 2020 8 hours ago, Sarnian said: How does your 30-90mm perform in the extreme corners? Mine are blurry (and that's after sending it to Leica for adjustment). I think of my 30-90mm more as a 35-90mm and I only use 30mm in a pinch. Shame. In general, wide angle and standard zooms tend to perform better at the widest end. Roger Cicala, the best lens tester I follow, has written extensively about primes and zooms, including this topic... https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2017/03/rogers-law-of-wide-zoom-relativity/ Most of the complaints I've read about the S 30-90 relate to corner and/or long end performance. My SL zooms are stellar, much better than the S 30-90 I once tried, but I don't know how much this is lens vs software related. Jeff 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeicaR10 Posted April 10, 2020 Share #131 Posted April 10, 2020 Sarnian, It took me three different copies of the S 30-90 to finally get one to work perfectly. I sent my first one to Wetzlar for adjustment, they exchanged it. Second copy...same issue, they exchanged it. Last copy works perfect. Of course this all occurred when the lens was first released. I had a SL 24-90 do the same thing. I sent it to Wetzlar, it was exchanged and that copy is perfect. My various M, S and SL lenses over time need CLAs due to the rough hiking and weather conditions these are exposed too. Getting back to the S 30-90 lens, used from 30-70mm the lens is excellent with no issues in the corners, etc.. It does go a tad soft at 80-90mm, but I can use a S 100 or S 120 if needed. Hope this helps. r/ Mark 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted April 11, 2020 Author Share #132 Posted April 11, 2020 S3 vs. SL2 with the same lens now. I tried to take into consideration the higher pixel count of the S3 when framing these. They are good enough, I think. Focus point should be on the exact same spot. Let's state upfront, at base ISO the SL2 holds up really well vs. the S3. There is a slight advantage of the larger sensor in terms of tonal separation but one has to look very closely, and even then the difference is very subtle. Less compressed JPEGs here: https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-JkgxSt/ SL2 + 120 Summarit-S as shot. DNG download here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g302821133-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=0gy0j56MohOu7H3kZ7hZ2NElTfEwB-wUdIo9J462LHs= Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ISO 100 f/5.6 @1/400 sec. S3 + 120 Summarit-S as shot. DNG download here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g73940055-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=PBYWFq3RbdDFnCX5vncV6r3CZLS8FwNoD_AR-vleMHc=ISO 200 f/5.6 @1/1000 sec. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ISO 100 f/5.6 @1/400 sec. S3 + 120 Summarit-S as shot. DNG download here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g73940055-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=PBYWFq3RbdDFnCX5vncV6r3CZLS8FwNoD_AR-vleMHc=ISO 200 f/5.6 @1/1000 sec. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/307652-lets-have-a-look-at-some-dng-files-from-the-s3/?do=findComment&comment=3951475'>More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted April 11, 2020 Author Share #133 Posted April 11, 2020 Now with the following adjustments plus Sharpening +40 for both, 0 NR, and same tweaks in the calibration panel. I basically tried to match them. Less compressed JPEGs here: https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-JkgxSt/ SL2 s Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! S3 SL2 + 120 Summarit-S processed to try to match S3 + 120 Summarit-S processed to try to match Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! S3 SL2 + 120 Summarit-S processed to try to match S3 + 120 Summarit-S processed to try to match ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/307652-lets-have-a-look-at-some-dng-files-from-the-s3/?do=findComment&comment=3951479'>More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted April 11, 2020 Author Share #134 Posted April 11, 2020 Now the crops. I can see a tiny difference in tones but keep in mind that the framing isn't perfectly taking into consideration the pixel count advantage of the S3. Less compressed JPEGs here: https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-JkgxSt/ SL2 + 120 Summarit-S same as in #133 cropped Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! S3 + 120 Summarit-S same as in #133 cropped 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! S3 + 120 Summarit-S same as in #133 cropped ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/307652-lets-have-a-look-at-some-dng-files-from-the-s3/?do=findComment&comment=3951484'>More sharing options...
helged Posted April 12, 2020 Share #135 Posted April 12, 2020 @Chaemono, any chance for doing an ISO-comparison between S3 and SL2? For instance of a subject with shadows, from base ISO to ISO6400. Just curious... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted April 12, 2020 Author Share #136 Posted April 12, 2020 vor 6 Stunden schrieb helged: @Chaemono, any chance for doing an ISO-comparison between S3 and SL2? For instance of a subject with shadows, from base ISO to ISO6400. Just curious... The only thing I have right now is base ISO for each (100 for SL2 and 200, I'm guessing for good reason that it in not 100, for the S3) in a pretty harmless situation. This wouldn't be a challenge for any camera. Even though the light does not seem to be exactly the same, the S3 DNG files do look like they have greater DR out-of-the-box. However, the SL2 ISO 100 files are so malleable (highlights can be pulled back by -100 in LR with no regrets and detail that looks burned out can often be recovered) that they can match the S3's DR when processed in many situations. I haven't tried low-light with base ISO and the cameras mounted on a tripod, yet. The lockdown makes things a bit difficult. At higher ISO, the S3 files are way more malleable, though. The SL2 is basically terrific at base ISO with the Summucrion-SL lenses to the point where it's close to MF. It's downhill after that. Less compressed JPEGs here: https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-JkgxSt/ SL2 + 120 Summarit-S as shot with AWB by the camera. DNG download here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g315052889-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=sO0RNOjrYFJHGC1T-BoSIpSdyDPjfDzAUrdhsq-N-pQ= Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ISO 100 f/4 @1/250 sec. S3 + 120 Summarit-S as shot with AWB by the camera. DNG download here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g149643424-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=cHIIjpyYzXnQ9TkAO_pKhKZiMitgbBEMlS9hO7BOBqk=ISO 200 f/4 @1/750 sec. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ISO 100 f/4 @1/250 sec. S3 + 120 Summarit-S as shot with AWB by the camera. DNG download here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g149643424-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=cHIIjpyYzXnQ9TkAO_pKhKZiMitgbBEMlS9hO7BOBqk=ISO 200 f/4 @1/750 sec. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/307652-lets-have-a-look-at-some-dng-files-from-the-s3/?do=findComment&comment=3952235'>More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted April 12, 2020 Author Share #137 Posted April 12, 2020 Now processed to try to match. Less compressed JPEGs here: https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-JkgxSt/ SL2 + 120 Summarit-S same as in #136 processed Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! S3 + 120 Summarit-S same as in #136 processed 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! S3 + 120 Summarit-S same as in #136 processed ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/307652-lets-have-a-look-at-some-dng-files-from-the-s3/?do=findComment&comment=3952239'>More sharing options...
setuporg Posted April 13, 2020 Share #138 Posted April 13, 2020 S3 wins hands down. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted April 13, 2020 Share #139 Posted April 13, 2020 (edited) 18 hours ago, Chaemono said: The SL2 is basically terrific at base ISO with the Summucrion-SL lenses to the point where it's close to MF. It's downhill after that. SL2 + 120 Summarit-S as shot with AWB by the camera. DNG download here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g315052889-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=sO0RNOjrYFJHGC1T-BoSIpSdyDPjfDzAUrdhsq-N-pQ= Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ISO 100 f/4 @1/250 sec. Is the SL2's base 100 ISO? Looking at Photon to Photos, it looks to be 50. Just curious. Edited April 13, 2020 by John Smith Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted April 13, 2020 Author Share #140 Posted April 13, 2020 vor 8 Minuten schrieb John Smith: Is the SL2's base 100 ISO? Looking at Photon to Photos, it looks to be 50. Just curious. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! “Minor differences at low ISO may simply be measurement/sample variation.” Bill Claff See here: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4450655 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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