My new M11 is bricked... Leica Spain

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6 hours ago, SrMi said:

The IQ at base ISO is the best that the camera can produce. While you may hide some deficiencies through extensive edits, it is always good to start with the best possible DNG. 
The more common question is, why shoot at higher ISOs when base ISO is appropriate?

I think they were just being difficult.

They gone crazy tryna keep the rest of the world from gettin M with IBIS

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[Qlan]

Another reason to want an integrated EVF is for people with glasses (like me) who want to shoot 28mm and below (the 35mm frame lines are barely fully visible).

I would upgrade from the M11 to the M12 in a heartbeat if it has an integrated EVF (while still having the option to use the RF) and/or IBIS (for other reasons mentioned in this thread). Having both of them would be the cherry on top. I'm ready to pay a significant price increase for those 2 features.

[lct]

10 hours ago, Qlan said:

Another reason to want an integrated EVF is for people with glasses (like me) who want to shoot 28mm and below (the 35mm frame lines are barely fully visible).

I would upgrade from the M11 to the M12 in a heartbeat if it has an integrated EVF (while still having the option to use the RF) and/or IBIS (for other reasons mentioned in this thread). Having both of them would be the cherry on top. I'm ready to pay a significant price increase for those 2 features.

I would not hold my breath. I would expect the M12 to be the same kind of rangefinder as the M11 with IBIS but also possibly a better Visoflex although the current one is yet decent (did you try it?). Another possibility would be an EVF-M sans rangefinder to complement, not replace, the M12 but Leica seems reluctant for now. 

Edited November 18, 2022 by lct

[Chimichurri]

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Edited November 18, 2022 by Chimichurri

[LocalHero1953]

48 minutes ago, Chimichurri said:

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We must be thankful for small mercies.

[lct]

1 hour ago, LocalHero1953 said:

We must be thankful for small mercies.

Beginning of wisdom?  It is never too late but i should not laugh as the post was directed at me apparently .

[Photoworks]

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On 11/17/2022 at 3:57 AM, Chimichurri said:

Not sure why you’d want to be at base ISO. Even at ISO6400 on my M10R is barely noticeable after edits. But yea. This is what I hear. I don’t know that the Leica M would be my go-to landscape camera. 

the base ISO is important to retain color information, it is not all about the noise. at base 64ISO the M11 have increased dynamic range and colors. it can be processed in post much more in post without showing problems. in that regard the M11 is the best sensor that Leica has been using at this point.

Many times shooting High ISO means that you reducing DR information at capture.

ISO 6400 has noise on the M10-R and so does the M11, but the M11 has more color retention in high iso.

[Chimichurri]

1 hour ago, Photoworks said:

ISO 6400 has noise on the M10-R and so does the M11, but the M11 has more color retention in high iso.

What I’m saying is there are many steps between 60 and 6400. There’s a balance. 
 

But fine. If you need to shoot ISO60 at 1/10th of a second handheld then great. I hope Leica gives you what you want and more. 

Edited November 18, 2022 by Chimichurri

[Chimichurri]

On 11/17/2022 at 5:54 PM, lct said:

M11 like a film M if they wish so

Or a Fuji on manual. Just like a Leica. Same thing. 

If I had made this post you’d be ridiculing me for saying it. 

Edited November 18, 2022 by Chimichurri

[Chimichurri]

On 11/17/2022 at 5:54 PM, lct said:

Your M10 allows this already but its EVF is sluggish to say the least.

So make it better. I don’t see the need to throw away the rangefinder and substitute it with an EVF. Get an SL or. Q. Or go Nikon or something else. Why try to kill the M? I don’t get it. 

and please don’t explain it again. It’s getting old. 

Edited November 18, 2022 by Chimichurri

[Chimichurri]

3 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said:

We must be thankful for small mercies.

What is it exactly that I said that bothers you so much? I don’t understand. 

Im saying I don’t need IBIS or an EVF. If you do then great. Go get a camera with IBIS and an EVF. They’re everywhere. And much cheaper than a Leica. I don’t see the problem. 

and what does any of this have to do with an M11 being bricked? 😅 who derailed this? 

Edited November 18, 2022 by Chimichurri

[lct]

1 minute ago, Chimichurri said:

Or a Fuji on manual. Just like a Leica. Same thing. 

Las time i checked digital Fuji's were not rangefinders. At leasts my X-E2 was not so. Any news since then?

[Chimichurri]

3 minutes ago, lct said:

Las time i checked digital Fuji's were not rangefinders. At leasts my X-E2 was not so. Any news since then?

No it’s the same. Really. Just switch it to manual. EVFs are better than rangefinders anyway. Who needs those. 

In one reply you’re all about rangefinders. Then another you’re killing the rangefinder. Seems you just want to argue.  Maybe just go outside and take some close pictures of flowers and give the forum a break. You must be very lonely. 

This is about the M11 still sucking after a year. Get back to topic. 

Edited November 18, 2022 by Chimichurri

[LocalHero1953]

5 minutes ago, Chimichurri said:

What is it exactly that I said that bothers you so much? I don’t understand. 

You have flooded this thread and the 'regular firmware updates' thread with your posts, all saying much the same thing, and all equally uninformative.

Edited November 18, 2022 by LocalHero1953

[lct]

6 minutes ago, Chimichurri said:

So make it better. I don’t see the need to throw away the rangefinder and substitute it with an EVF. Get an SL or. Q. Or go Nikon or something else. Why try to kill the M? I don’t get it. 

and please don’t explain it again. It’s getting old. 

Sorry to be old but as i told you before i find SL cameras too bulky for my tastes so i chose Kolari mod Sony cameras instead. Anyway neither SL nor Sony cameras are rangefinders. Is it so difficult to comprehend or are you trolling me?

[Chimichurri]

6 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said:

You have flooded this thread and the 'regular firmware updates' thread with your posts, all saying much the same thing, and all equally uninformative.

No. I make 1 comment and then, like now, I get 100 replies of nonsense. Like this reply for instance. 

Just stop already. I said what I said. Let it go. Stop replying. 

Edited November 18, 2022 by Chimichurri

[Chimichurri]

Just now, lct said:

Sorry to be old but as i told you before i find SL cameras too bulky for my tastes so i chose Kolari mod Sony cameras instead. Anyway neither SL nor Sony cameras are rangefinders. Is it so difficult to comprehend or are you trolling me?

It’s enough already. I asked you to stop this insanity. Just stop replying to me. Let it go. 

[LocalHero1953]

Ah well, this is what the 'ignore' feature is for.

Done.

😁

Edited November 18, 2022 by LocalHero1953

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[SrMi]

15 hours ago, Qlan said:

Another reason to want an integrated EVF is for people with glasses (like me) who want to shoot 28mm and below (the 35mm frame lines are barely fully visible).

I would upgrade from the M11 to the M12 in a heartbeat if it has an integrated EVF (while still having the option to use the RF) and/or IBIS (for other reasons mentioned in this thread). Having both of them would be the cherry on top. I'm ready to pay a significant price increase for those 2 features.

I can also barely see 35mm with my glasses in the rangefinder, and I use Visoflex for anything wider than 35mm. 
The Visoflex may be a better solution than an integrated EVF: the view is likely larger than an integrated would be (the size of the rangefinder), and it tilts.
What do you dislike about the Visoflex solution? If you integrate EVF, there is no space for optical RF. At current state of technology, a hybrid solution seems not to be possible (rangefinder quality issues).

[Jeff S]

5 hours ago, lct said:

Another possibility would be an EVF-M sans rangefinder to complement, not replace, the M12 but Leica seems reluctant for now. 

I think this, once Leica feels the technology and execution is ‘M-worthy’. And likely after the next generation SL is well established and received.  But who knows with Leica.

Jeff