Survey: Are you planning to buy the new Leica M11?

[SrMi]

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37 minutes ago, Artin said:

Ahhh focus lock ?  On a manual focus camera ? 

It gives electric shocks when you try to touch the focusing ring.

[cirke]

What would most appeal to you about the Leica M11?: 

 The M12 is coming

[Olivier76]

Saving for an M11P

[COBACHOTIX]

M11 looks great in all features, but I think it focuses more on software solutions than on hardware. Also not sure to share the attractiveness of the new bottom cap. I love the traditional M. The M11 is indeed a re-invention, but perhaps not really an M but a great new camera based on an M design. Therefore, I would certainly remain trustworthy with my M10monochrom which I am totally in-loved with. 

[pgk]

15 hours ago, Artin said:

+1. That would be the smartest move they can make, it would invite a ton of new users to the system. But Leica has only once in their history tried that, it was the Leica CL. During the M5 era.  

M4-2, M4-P - cheaper constructon than the M4 I believe, without compromising the fundamentals. M6 then built on this and added, then TTL.

From my perspective the M11 still suffers from 'bloat' from what I have read. I still think that there is a significant market for a digital version of the M6. Manual exposure, centre-weighted meter, no frills whatsoever. That said I wonder if the current sensors are too sophisticated to make such modifications substantially cheaper and that another model would not be too much less to buy?

[SrMi]

6 hours ago, Artin said:

We have four years to save 15,000 dollars.. bring it on 

That would be what inflation rate, assuming the price does not change as it did not with M11 :)?

[kivis]

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I love the specs on the M11, but I am going to wait until my M-P 240 becomes unusable. It is serving me quite well.

[kivis]

2 hours ago, pgk said:

M4-2, M4-P - cheaper constructon than the M4 I believe, without compromising the fundamentals. M6 then built on this and added, then TTL.

From my perspective the M11 still suffers from 'bloat' from what I have read. I still think that there is a significant market for a digital version of the M6. Manual exposure, centre-weighted meter, no frills whatsoever. That said I wonder if the current sensors are too sophisticated to make such modifications substantially cheaper and that another model would not be too much less to buy?

Me thinks the M262 is what you are looking for, or an M10-D

[pgk]

19 minutes ago, kivis said:

Me thinks the M262 is what you are looking for, or an M10-D

No. Neither really enthuse me at all. I want a 'back to basics' camera, no frills whatsoever. Basically as per the original concept of the M.

[pippy]

19 minutes ago, pgk said:

I still think that there is a significant market for a digital version of the M6. Manual exposure, centre-weighted meter, no frills whatsoever...

I want a 'back to basics' camera, no frills whatsoever. Basically as per the original concept of the M.

You want an M-D Typ-262, Paul. It has an ISO dial and a shutter-speed dial. That's it(*) as far as controls are concerned.

Philip.

* Edit : Of course it also has an Off/On/S-timer Switch; a Shutter-Release Button and TTL metering...

Edited January 16, 2022 by pippy

[Fedro]

1 hour ago, pippy said:

You want an M-D Typ-262, Paul. It has an ISO dial and a shutter-speed dial. That's it(*) as far as controls are concerned.

Philip.

* Edit : Of course it also has an Off/On/S-timer Switch; a Shutter-Release Button and TTL metering...

lovely camera, one that i certainly miss

back to the OP I said I would not, but then I did

[zwieback]

maybe the news needs to spread and more reviews being released but until now I am quite sceptical that the M11 will be a success for Leica. During the presentaion of the camera mentioned that the camera is in stck, black and silver and could directly be taken home. It was said, that Leica took care this time to pre produce enough cameras before going on sale. Anyway, it surprised me. When I arrived at the shop, I was confirmed that no appointment was required, I was expecting quite a few people already waiting in the shop. It was the saturday directly after launch and beautiful weather too. I thought there would be high interest. In big contrast, the shop was empty and in fact I was the only visitor within more than 1 hour. WHen I levt there was somebody coming in to ask for a Q acressory and an older couple that just came to visit the gallery. In some way that was positive for me. I could directly grab the camera after having some discussion with the Leica guys and I was ready to go.

I would have expected much higher interest of the community after the release of the camera. Even some online presentations (I had a quick look) were booked by only very few people. When I was invited for the M10 mono the situation was very different and the store was packed. It is a stare in the centre of a big city saturday afternoon with bright sunnshine all day after the launch and nobody interested... Not sure if this will be representative of corse but this poll seems to reflect it. I think Leica underrates the M clients in the approch, that they would follow the flow - which is going to more and more MPix and auto focus point and simulations... As Leica does not seem to really develop the M as an M camera and they (rightly) do not offer AF and simulations, they thought that only the Mpix would be enough but to me it is not an argument for a new M and it seems a lot of users share this oppinion.

Might be that I draw a too dark picture but it would not surprise me an awful lot if what makes the M11 a legend is that it would be the last M generation (digital) and that would make me very sad.

[costa43]

I’ll stick with my m9p. More tempted to add a monochrom body alongside it. I do like the full sensor metering though. Multi matrix via the rangefinder would be useful.

Edited January 16, 2022 by costa43

[Oswalt]

29 minutes ago, zwieback said:

maybe the news needs to spread and more reviews being released but until now I am quite sceptical that the M11 will be a success for Leica. During the presentaion of the camera mentioned that the camera is in stck, black and silver and could directly be taken home. It was said, that Leica took care this time to pre produce enough cameras before going on sale. Anyway, it surprised me. When I arrived at the shop, I was confirmed that no appointment was required, I was expecting quite a few people already waiting in the shop. It was the saturday directly after launch and beautiful weather too. I thought there would be high interest. In big contrast, the shop was empty and in fact I was the only visitor within more than 1 hour. WHen I levt there was somebody coming in to ask for a Q acressory and an older couple that just came to visit the gallery. In some way that was positive for me. I could directly grab the camera after having some discussion with the Leica guys and I was ready to go.

I would have expected much higher interest of the community after the release of the camera. Even some online presentations (I had a quick look) were booked by only very few people. When I was invited for the M10 mono the situation was very different and the store was packed. It is a stare in the centre of a big city saturday afternoon with bright sunnshine all day after the launch and nobody interested... Not sure if this will be representative of corse but this poll seems to reflect it. I think Leica underrates the M clients in the approch, that they would follow the flow - which is going to more and more MPix and auto focus point and simulations... As Leica does not seem to really develop the M as an M camera and they (rightly) do not offer AF and simulations, they thought that only the Mpix would be enough but to me it is not an argument for a new M and it seems a lot of users share this oppinion.

Might be that I draw a too dark picture but it would not surprise me an awful lot if what makes the M11 a legend is that it would be the last M generation (digital) and that would make me very sad.

I wholeheartedly agree. What you have described reflects my experience here as well. It's very easy to get the camera right now, and I suppose the debate might be already settled on this camera in the minds of potential buyers. 

Edited January 16, 2022 by Oswalt

[adan]

I saw someone ordering an M11 at our little local shop just yesterday. Trading in a huge stack of Nikon lenses, including a 500 f/4 and such - plus his 4-month-old M10-R (he was also taking delivery of a Canon R of some kind, and likely some Canon lenses).

I have to stop in tomorrow anyway, so I will ask them what delivery time-frame Leica quoted the store for his order. I may end up with an M11 sooner than I thought.

I do recognize there is a huge "sticker-shock" factor here, for those of us who haven't bought a new M in a few years.

My M10s (as I think I already mentioned) were both less than $7000 new, 4-5 years ago.

But since an M10-R (black chrome, not paint) or M10-M are listed for the same price as the M11 at B&H, that "inflation" has been in place for a while.

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BTW - it occurs to me that with the increasing number of Asian M-mount lenses being sold (I plead guilty - 2 C/V f/1.4 lenses in my stable), Leica may have decided their camera bodies can no longer reliably be priced as "loss-leaders" (well, more or less) to promote lens sales.

They need to charge enough for M camera bodies to make a profit and cover development costs, even if folks buy only the camera, and then load it up with used Leica lenses, Voigtlanders, TTArtisans/7Artisans, and so on.

 

Edited January 16, 2022 by adan

[Jeff S]

Plus the new, fast APO M lenses, now with the shorter MFD of the 35 APO Summicron M, seems to be the direction for more extremely high priced M lenses.  The shorter MFD wasn’t even included in the 35 APO marketing specs according to recent Leica interviews, but was added when the tech side of the house showed what was possible.  I think Leica embraced the concept in part to push and to justify the price jump, apart from any other reasons such as EVF vs RF viewing.  
 

The M system, as a whole, has dramatically increased price point in a relatively short period (aside from tax issues). The other product lines… Q, SL… of course couldn’t survive competitively with this pricing philosophy.  The M system stands alone. Although it seems that while the S system initially could withstand higher prices without competitive concerns, the likes of Pentax (initially), then Fuji and Hasselblad, derailed that approach and set a different price point for digital MF.  Tough business these days.  It will be fascinating to see where this eventually shakes out.

Jeff

Edited January 16, 2022 by Jeff S

[bramcq]

I'm curious how I'll fare selling my M10-R while waiting for my M11.  Posting here and on the Facebook group -- eBay is daunting!

Don't worry for me, my M10 Mono is enough company while I wait!

[Torontoamateur]

To me it is now just another soon to be obsolete digital camera. Nothing special really. I have a 24MP Leica . It does the work I need.

[Guest Nowhereman]

3 hours ago, zwieback said:

... it surprised me. When I arrived at the shop, I was confirmed that no appointment was required, I was expecting quite a few people already waiting in the shop...I would have expected much higher interest of the community after the release of the camera...

I would assume that the current Covid/Omicron situation could be a factor. Perhaps many potential M11 buyers are putting it off because they haven't been using their current camera much and don't know when we'll be back to normal. I haven't shot with my M10 since October...
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2 hours ago, adan said:

BTW - it occurs to me that with the increasing number of Asian M-mount lenses being sold (I plead guilty - 2 C/V f/1.4 lenses in my stable), Leica may have decided their camera bodies can no longer reliably be priced as "loss-leaders" (well, more or less) to promote lens sales.

They really are in a tough spot with the rangefinder aren't they - there isn't a lot they can improve model by model.  Other manufacturers can make generational leaps with their autofocus speed and subject tracking, EVF quality, burst rate and weather sealing... But Leica can't really offer any of that in a way that would be attractive to a large portion of the M user base.