OhOh, future of CL?

[Le Chef]

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Why did we go from discussing the next generation CL to discussing the contents of the photographer’s thesaurus?

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[Louis]

Maybe some folks are paid by Leica to change the path of discussions and change the main subject!😂😂😂

[Daedalus2000]

57 minutes ago, Louis said:

Maybe some folks are paid by Leica to change the path of discussions and change the main subject!😂😂😂

Well said

[IkarusJohn]

Or, maybe until we actually hear something further from Leica, any news was covered on the first page?

[Louis]

1 hour ago, IkarusJohn said:

Or, maybe until we actually hear something further from Leica, any news was covered on the first page?

If we hear anything about this issue from Leica; that would be the end of all discussion! lol

I wonder if those new weirdos in Leica are enjoying these discussions! lol

[Michael Markey]

9 hours ago, Louis said:

If we hear anything about this issue from Leica; that would be the end of all discussion! lol

I wonder if those new weirdos in Leica are enjoying these discussions! lol

Leica`s motto is "Whatever you say "  "Say nothing " .

[RM8]

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I recently came across this wonderful interview on Youtube in July 2020. Maybe, of course, all you people on this channel have seen it already. Dr Andreas Kaufmann, quoting Peter Karbe:

"If Oskar Barnack were living today, he would build the CL, as an APS-C camera"

I recommend to watch it in full, there are (IMHO) many insights to be had, e.g. about the (unnecessary?) race for more megapixels.

Edited December 7, 2021 by RM8

[jaapv]

13 minutes ago, RM8 said:

"If Oskar Barnack were living today, he would build the CL, as an APS-C camera"

And he is 100% right

[Louis]

2 hours ago, jaapv said:

And he is 100% right

I think he clearly answered our questions: “We don’t comment on our outgoing project!”

But he also said something like; we listen to our customers to see what they want ….

So, I think any discussion about our main subject is ending here; and all we can do is to hold our breath and wait to see…… Not very helpful for many of us, I guess! 

[EUSe]

vor 13 Minuten schrieb Louis:

I think he clearly answered our questions: “We don’t comment on our outgoing project!”

But he also said something like; we listen to our customers to see what they want ….

So, I think any discussion about our main subject is ending here; and all we can do is to hold our breath and wait to see…… Not very helpful for many of us, I guess! 

Maybe. But this was in 2020. Even Leica has to cope with the shortage of chips and delivery/transport issues. Look at Sony! None of the Leica official may be able to make a prediction. Plans may be postponed or even cancelled. Some camera models may be outdated once the electronics finally arrive. 

Edited December 7, 2021 by EUSe

[Louis]

16 minutes ago, EUSe said:

Maybe. But this was in 2020. Even Leica has to cope with the shortage of chips and delivery/transport issues. Look at Sony! None of the Leica official may be able to make a prediction. Plans may be postponed or even cancelled. Some camera models may be outdated once the electronics finally arrive. 

Shortage, shortage, shortage!…..I also heard that privately from someone involved with Leica!….

I think this is also an important element for their decisions….. As I said before; we only have to be patient, pinch ourselves, and see…..

Edited December 7, 2021 by Louis

[EUSe]

vor 5 Minuten schrieb Louis:

Shortage, shortage, shortage!…..I also heard that privately from someone involved with Leica!….

I think this is also an important element for their decisions….. As I said before; we only have to be patient, pinch ourselves, and see…..

Yes, I am afraid so!

[Simone_DF]

38 minutes ago, Louis said:

Shortage, shortage, shortage!…..I also heard that privately from someone involved with Leica!….

I think this is also an important element for their decisions….. As I said before; we only have to be patient, pinch ourselves, and see…..

This is from yesterday:

https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/6/22820922/sony-digital-camera-chip-shortage

[jaapv]

Still, Panasonic manages to put out large numbers of cameras 

[SrMi]

In May 2020, Stefan Daniel said that the CL is “far from being discontinued but needs some stimulation”. He confirmed that APS-C is a part of Leica’s product range and will continue. (source: Macfilos)

[Louis]

10 minutes ago, SrMi said:

In May 2020, Stefan Daniel said that the CL is “far from being discontinued but needs some stimulation”. He confirmed that APS-C is a part of Leica’s product range and will continue. (source: Macfilos)

🤞🤞🤞

I can't see any development for TL camera because they are stuck in that "one-Block" shape. They already removed the flash from T to TL2 to give more space for the heating issue. Actually, Kaufman briefly pointed out the problem of heating! 

But they can do anything they wish with the CL design. They can easily make any modification as a ASPC system. Sony, among others, is making small cameras even in FF. 

Also, as I mentioned before, if Leica wants to survive, it can't just with M, and SL systems that are too expensive. An ASPC system is much more affordable to a general public, and it can also bring some cash to Leica and to the people  working at Leica who wish to stay at Leica.

 

Edited December 7, 2021 by Louis

[Simone_DF]

2 hours ago, jaapv said:

Still, Panasonic manages to put out large numbers of cameras 

Correct. But Sony is also putting out plenty of cameras, just not the ZV-E10 and the a6400. They are focusing on the A7IV and the A1

[SoCalLeicanator]

It's everyone, not just Sony. 

https://www.techradar.com/news/canon-eos-r3-might-not-be-available-until-mid-2022-says-the-camera-giant

I have a feeling the CL-2 is yet another pandemic casualty, but maybe they'll come up with something better.  As all have said, it's working great now.  

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[dkCambridgeshire]

4 hours ago, Louis said:

🤞🤞🤞

I can't see any development for TL camera because they are stuck in that "one-Block" shape. They already removed the flash from T to TL2 to give more space for the heating issue. Actually, Kaufman briefly pointed out the problem of heating! 

But they can do anything they wish with the CL design. They can easily make any modification as a ASPC system. Sony, among others, is making small cameras even in FF. 

Also, as I mentioned before, if Leica wants to survive, it can't just with M, and SL systems that are too expensive. An ASPC system is much more affordable to a general public, and it can also bring some cash to Leica and to the people  working at Leica who wish to stay at Leica.

 

If was so easy they'd have done it already ... Future is FF with GPS ... which reverts to APS when TL lenses fitted 

Edited December 7, 2021 by dkCambridgeshire

[Louis]

1 hour ago, dkCambridgeshire said:

If was so easy they'd have done it already ... Future is FF with GPS ... which reverts to APS when TL lenses fitted 

Let me believe that if they haven't done it already, it is because they have done nothing for quite sometime; and maybe, maybe, they are coming with something interesting when they can go back to work!