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LEICA VARIO-ELMARIT-SL 24–70mm f/2.8 ASPH

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1 hour ago, FlashGordonPhotography said:

Leica doesn't have a great recent history of being successful with *cheap* lenses.

Maybe not recent, but at that time I thought the relatively affordable Kyocera-made Vario-Elmar lenses for the R system were very successful. But I have no data to back this up.

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Sigma is second largest sellers of optics. After Canon and before Nikon.  Sigma is also producing everything in house : toolings, glasses, magnesium, DC motors.  So they cut down every middle men

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Agree! I'm done with spending the fortunes that I've spent on Leica lenses in the past. Lens design & technology has evolved dramatically over the past few years, manufacturers like Sigma & Vo

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The collective effort to imagine/will a difference into existence here is commendable.:) A much easier route would be to wait for test comparisons.

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Not sure if this has already been said but from the leaks this lens looks really ugly lol 😅

One thing I love about all the SL lenses so far is they all look really aesthetically appealing, including the 3 zooms in the market. This was another thing that attracted me to the Leica universe. I know this might be an unpopular opinion and I mainly shoot primes but I couldn't keep this thought to myself anymore lol 🙈

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16 hours ago, BernardC said:

Off the top of my head: Canon, Nikon, Olympus, Pentax, Zeiss (Contax), Zeiss (Sony), Zeiss/Zeiss (stills), Zeiss/Zeiss (cine), Hasselblad, Rollei, Sinar, Alpa (both incarnations), Schneider, Angenieux, PhaseOne.

Are you sure ? Not the same at all. 
Contax is Zeiss brand by the way.
Zeiss can be manufactured by Cosina, Kyocera or whatever but they are still Zeiss exclusive design.

Nothing alike Panasonic camera rebranded as Leica in any other brands. Except Hasselblad failed attempt. 

However Hasselblad is totally transparent about the origin of their lenses : Zeiss, Schneider, Fujifilm or Nikko. 
Which Leica is not. 

 

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5 hours ago, Studienkamera said:

Maybe not recent, but at that time I thought the relatively affordable Kyocera-made Vario-Elmar lenses for the R system were very successful. But I have no data to back this up.

This two Kyocera made lenses are a bit particular. They are not a redesign from another Japanese lens.  They are exclusive to Leica. 
35-70mm f/4 and 80-200mm f/4 were design by Leica but manufactured by Kyocera.   

Similar situation as the made in Japan TL lenses. Some are designed by Leica, some for Leica and build by an unknown Japanese subcontractor.
And they are also exclusive to the German brand. 
 

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7 hours ago, FlashGordonPhotography said:

Personally I would have made a compact but excellent 28-90 f4 Elmar

Or a 28-70 f4. More compact and lighter 

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7 hours ago, oldwino said:

OK, so is this what we know?

1. Leica is releasing a 24-70 zoom lens (~$3500) that everyone is sure is a rebranded Sigma 24-70 zoom lens ($1050).

2. Leica has changed the barrel/rings, maybe for the better, and possibly the lens coatings (which I am sure Sigma would do for them; after all, Leica has had lenses built by others before to Leica's specs). 

3. One of these lenses is going to disappoint a lot of folks. The Sigma seems to punch a little above its price point, making it a "good deal". It is hard to image that whatever improvements Leica is making (barrel construction/coatings/firmware (maybe?)) are going to be worth that extra $2500. That's a very steep hill to climb. This lens will be scrutinized very closely. In this case the lens is going to need to be insanely good (somehow) to justify the price. 

4. It is possible that the optics are different too; in this case, the lens may be much better than the Sigma, and the price could be justified for what basically is a "different" lens. 

In any case, this is going to be an interesting product launch! 

I think this is the crux of it and it looks like Leica is moving into the realm’s of, what is for them, a kit lens to go with the either the SL2-S or SL2 or both. In this way I imagine the bundle will of course be priced less than buying the items separately. However, trying to differentiate between the new lens and the Sigma, for this price differential, I think is going to be a tough gig and then of course you have the even cheaper Sigma 28-70 and the Panasonic 20-60. Perhaps it would have made more sense to have taken the Panasonic 24-105 f4 and have done the same makeover to that lens?

Buy it for a discount as a kit, I can see that and then add some SL primes but as a standalone it will forever be a Sigma in a different outfit :) 

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here's the real data sheet (simply caled "technical data"):

https://de.leica-camera.com/Service-Support/Support/Downloads?category=128329&subcategory=&type=&language=68389

Wight 856g

 

 

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a very quick comparison to the Sigma - looks very much the same

(MTFs Sigma are 10/30, Leica 5/10/20/40 LP/mm)

 

 

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23 hours ago, Simone_DF said:

If this lens is indeed just a rebadged Sigma 24-70 without the AF switch and a different coat and no significant optical difference, what exactly is going to inspire that the Sigma won't do?

Good question!

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2 minutes ago, Slender said:

Leica could be cheeky enough not to let the Sigma be 100% "compatible" in terms of current consumption, optical corrections in camera, AF protocols, Stab.... etc.

Yes, perhaps. But of course Leica prices goods with customers willingness to pay in mind.

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1 hour ago, MediaFotografie said:

it looks lie this...

length is exactly the same (123mm), wight differs by 20g, lens/groups 19/15 for both

But Leica says body is metal? Sigma I believe is not - and this could explain some of the price difference perhaps? I believe the body is just as expensive to produce as the glass elements. But why dos this not add to weight?

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