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1 hour ago, Slender said:

... The diffraction limit is so low (bravo, I respect that) that the lense basically starts to "soften" at f4 if not 2.8.... a limit that used to show at f11-16 on lesser lenses.... or a mere f8 on recent "good" leica lenses.

Agree.... (if Leica managed to sneak around diffraction constraints, I guess the engeneering team would be in for a Nobel Prize in physics 😉...) 

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18 minutes ago, scott kirkpatrick said:

We've come a long way...

These three lenses all do the same thing -- put a 28 mm image onto a full frame chip.  (I don't have the SL 28 (yet) but the 35 is the same size and uses the same lens hood.  On the lower left, an M Elmarit-asph 28.  On the lower right, an M Summilux 28.  And looming over them, as SL Summicron:

S1010773 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr

 

 

This photo is illustrative of the general trend it seems. I wonder how well a very high quality, very small set of AF primes would sell. An f/4 set around the size of the Summilux-M, if it was possible, would be of interest to a lot of landscape shooters I would think.  

I like shooting large apertures so I’m happy with the Summicron SL size.  

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2 hours ago, scott kirkpatrick said:

And looming over them, an SL Summicron

Looming is the word.  "Bloated" is another one.  The SL lens is just a little bit smaller than the Elmarit-M 28mm and M camera combination 🙁

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Those are an M10-R and M10-D.  I use the -R with a 24 and the two Leica 50s (SL and SC). With the 24 because it has the perspective correction firmware and it's fun to watch the odd-angled frame float around.  The -D seems to go well with the 28, needing no extra viewfinder.  But that is just how I feel at the moment.  It can change.

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vor 2 Stunden schrieb scott kirkpatrick:

Those are an M10-R and M10-D.  I use the -R with a 24 and the two Leica 50s (SL and SC). With the 24 because it has the perspective correction firmware and it's fun to watch the odd-angled frame float around.  The -D seems to go well with the 28, needing no extra viewfinder.  But that is just how I feel at the moment.  It can change.

Agreed, I put the 28cron to the - D. And longer focal, 50 and higher to the M10 or SL2

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Complete frame and a cropped version - just to show sharpness, bokeh, contrast. Sl28 @ f2 on SL2

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11 hours ago, rim_light said:

Complete frame and a cropped version - just to show sharpness, bokeh, contrast. Sl28 @ f2 on SL2

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I'm amazed by flare resistance. Can you post any photos at F5.6-F11 at infinity focus? My M Summicron 28 is very good at close focus distance and wide open but infinity rendering is not to my liking. I'm seriously considering SL2-s + SL35 or SL28 lens in the future. How about distortion at infinity/landscape/architectural shots? Any impression yet? 

Maybe it is just me, but from Jono beach photo it seems all people in the left corner are somehow distorted... 

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3 hours ago, Cobram said:

I'm amazed by flare resistance. Can you post any photos at F5.6-F11 at infinity focus? My M Summicron 28 is very good at close focus distance and wide open but infinity rendering is not to my liking. I'm seriously considering SL2-s + SL35 or SL28 lens in the future. How about distortion at infinity/landscape/architectural shots? Any impression yet? 

Maybe it is just me, but from Jono beach photo it seems all people in the left corner are somehow distorted... 

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i got a ziess 28mm M mount that distorts just like that on the SL2 sensor 

 

i'm a bit cautious with leica as they lied openly about eye auto focus and i suspect they have done the same with the micro lenses claim 

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8 hours ago, Cobram said:

I'm amazed by flare resistance. Can you post any photos at F5.6-F11 at infinity focus? My M Summicron 28 is very good at close focus distance and wide open but infinity rendering is not to my liking. I'm seriously considering SL2-s + SL35 or SL28 lens in the future. How about distortion at infinity/landscape/architectural shots? Any impression yet? 

Maybe it is just me, but from Jono beach photo it seems all people in the left corner are somehow distorted... 

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The distortion bottom left seems to me like the distortion seen in any image using a wide angle lens tilted upwards.

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7 hours ago, hillavoider said:

 

 

i got a ziess 28mm M mount that distorts just like that on the SL2 sensor 

 

i'm a bit cautious with leica as they lied openly about eye auto focus and i suspect they have done the same with the micro lenses claim 

What makes you think they lie about micro lenses? The performance of wider M lenses is clearly better on digital M and SL cameras than other brands. Tests are available that prove this. 

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14 hours ago, Cobram said:

I'm amazed by flare resistance. Can you post any photos at F5.6-F11 at infinity focus? My M Summicron 28 is very good at close focus distance and wide open but infinity rendering is not to my liking. I'm seriously considering SL2-s + SL35 or SL28 lens in the future. How about distortion at infinity/landscape/architectural shots? Any impression yet? 

Maybe it is just me, but from Jono beach photo it seems all people in the left corner are somehow distorted... 

@jonoslack I suppose posted photos are free to comment and repost (link) here on LUF, but if I in any way made a mistake, please contact me and I will delete my message immediately. I really like your reviews and find them very helpful. I'm torn between SL35 vs 28 and flare+distortion properties are very important to me... that's why I ask.

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Hi Cobram

First of all, you’re absolutely fine reposting, the images are up for discussion. 

Secondly, apologies for the delay in answering. It’s been a bit hectic around here. 

Thirdly, as others have said, I think that the distortion is just normal for the corner of a wide angle lens. What isn’t so normal is how sharp they are!

There are quite a lot more images in the associated Lightroom gallery. pretty sure there are some focused at infinity with medium aperture. 

Finally. thanks for the kind words about the articles. Makes it all worthwhile!

 

All the best

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12 hours ago, hillavoider said:

 

 

i got a ziess 28mm M mount that distorts just like that on the SL2 sensor 

 

i'm a bit cautious with leica as they lied openly about eye auto focus and i suspect they have done the same with the micro lenses claim 

I don’t believe Leica ever claimed to have optimized their micro lenses on the SL series for rangefinder optics. They said consistently say that the M-camera is the best camera for M-lenses and they also do say they optimize the micro lenses of M camera sensors for M lenses. Leica also says the next best camera aside from an M-camera for M-lenses is an SL camera and the reason is because of the thinner sensor glass filter stack that is much thinner than other manufacturers.

Also Leica never said there was eye auto focus as others have mentioned. It’s iAF which is intelligent AF that dynamically go between AFs and AFc.

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8 hours ago, Photoworks said:

I wonder where you got the impression that Leica SL2 has eye AF. it has iAF and it has Face/Body detect.

Watch from 12 minutes

they claimed eye and face detection “you just have to trust them” https://m.dpreview.com/videos/5340480487/dpreview-tv-leica-sl2-hands-on-first-impressions

 

 

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