helged Posted February 19, 2021 Share #141 Â Posted February 19, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, Slender said: ... The diffraction limit is so low (bravo, I respect that) that the lense basically starts to "soften" at f4 if not 2.8.... a limit that used to show at f11-16 on lesser lenses.... or a mere f8 on recent "good" leica lenses. Agree.... (if Leica managed to sneak around diffraction constraints, I guess the engeneering team would be in for a Nobel Prize in physics đ...)Â 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 19, 2021 Posted February 19, 2021 Hi helged, Take a look here Apo Summicron-sl 28. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
LD_50 Posted February 19, 2021 Share #142  Posted February 19, 2021 18 minutes ago, scott kirkpatrick said: We've come a long way... These three lenses all do the same thing -- put a 28 mm image onto a full frame chip. (I don't have the SL 28 (yet) but the 35 is the same size and uses the same lens hood. On the lower left, an M Elmarit-asph 28. On the lower right, an M Summilux 28. And looming over them, as SL Summicron: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here⊠Simply register for free here â We are always happy to welcome new members! S1010773 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr   This photo is illustrative of the general trend it seems. I wonder how well a very high quality, very small set of AF primes would sell. An f/4 set around the size of the Summilux-M, if it was possible, would be of interest to a lot of landscape shooters I would think.  I like shooting large apertures so Iâm happy with the Summicron SL size.  Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZN Posted February 19, 2021 Share #143  Posted February 19, 2021 2 hours ago, scott kirkpatrick said: And looming over them, an SL Summicron Looming is the word.  "Bloated" is another one.  The SL lens is just a little bit smaller than the Elmarit-M 28mm and M camera combination đ 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
beewee Posted February 19, 2021 Share #144  Posted February 19, 2021 Iâm surprised this hasnât made it to the SL forum yet. đ  1 1 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slender Posted February 20, 2021 Share #145 Â Posted February 20, 2021 Damn, she is quite the collector. Thank god those people exist so we can have decently priced SL stuff. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted February 21, 2021 Share #146  Posted February 21, 2021 Those are an M10-R and M10-D. I use the -R with a 24 and the two Leica 50s (SL and SC). With the 24 because it has the perspective correction firmware and it's fun to watch the odd-angled frame float around. The -D seems to go well with the 28, needing no extra viewfinder. But that is just how I feel at the moment. It can change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiggiGun Posted February 21, 2021 Share #147  Posted February 21, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) vor 2 Stunden schrieb scott kirkpatrick: Those are an M10-R and M10-D. I use the -R with a 24 and the two Leica 50s (SL and SC). With the 24 because it has the perspective correction firmware and it's fun to watch the odd-angled frame float around. The -D seems to go well with the 28, needing no extra viewfinder. But that is just how I feel at the moment. It can change. Agreed, I put the 28cron to the - D. And longer focal, 50 and higher to the M10 or SL2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rim_light Posted February 21, 2021 Share #148  Posted February 21, 2021 Complete frame and a cropped version - just to show sharpness, bokeh, contrast. Sl28 @ f2 on SL2 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here⊠Simply register for free here â We are always happy to welcome new members! 7 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here â We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/317420-apo-summicron-sl-28/?do=findComment&comment=4146243'>More sharing options...
Cobram Posted February 22, 2021 Share #149  Posted February 22, 2021 11 hours ago, rim_light said: Complete frame and a cropped version - just to show sharpness, bokeh, contrast. Sl28 @ f2 on SL2 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here⊠Simply register for free here â We are always happy to welcome new members! I'm amazed by flare resistance. Can you post any photos at F5.6-F11 at infinity focus? My M Summicron 28 is very good at close focus distance and wide open but infinity rendering is not to my liking. I'm seriously considering SL2-s + SL35 or SL28 lens in the future. How about distortion at infinity/landscape/architectural shots? Any impression yet? Maybe it is just me, but from Jono beach photo it seems all people in the left corner are somehow distorted... @jonoslack I suppose posted photos are free to comment and repost (link) here on LUF, but if I in any way made a mistake, please contact me and I will delete my message immediately. I really like your reviews and find them very helpful. I'm torn between SL35 vs 28 and flare+distortion properties are very important to me... that's why I ask. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GK James Posted February 22, 2021 Share #150 Â Posted February 22, 2021 Will the 28 give rise to the dilemma: a separate lens or the Q2? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobram Posted February 22, 2021 Share #151 Â Posted February 22, 2021 16 minutes ago, GK James said: Will the 28 give rise to the dilemma: a separate lens or the Q2? I used to own Q and sold it due to distortion. I'm really happy with M-Cron 28. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillavoider Posted February 22, 2021 Share #152  Posted February 22, 2021 3 hours ago, Cobram said: I'm amazed by flare resistance. Can you post any photos at F5.6-F11 at infinity focus? My M Summicron 28 is very good at close focus distance and wide open but infinity rendering is not to my liking. I'm seriously considering SL2-s + SL35 or SL28 lens in the future. How about distortion at infinity/landscape/architectural shots? Any impression yet? Maybe it is just me, but from Jono beach photo it seems all people in the left corner are somehow distorted... @jonoslack I suppose posted photos are free to comment and repost (link) here on LUF, but if I in any way made a mistake, please contact me and I will delete my message immediately. I really like your reviews and find them very helpful. I'm torn between SL35 vs 28 and flare+distortion properties are very important to me... that's why I ask. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here⊠Simply register for free here â We are always happy to welcome new members!   i got a ziess 28mm M mount that distorts just like that on the SL2 sensor  i'm a bit cautious with leica as they lied openly about eye auto focus and i suspect they have done the same with the micro lenses claim 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted February 22, 2021 Share #153  Posted February 22, 2021 4 hours ago, hillavoider said: i'm a bit cautious with leica as they lied openly about eye auto focus and i suspect they have done the same with the micro lenses claim I wonder where you got the impression that Leica SL2 has eye AF. it has iAF and it has Face/Body detect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eclectic Man Posted February 22, 2021 Share #154  Posted February 22, 2021 8 hours ago, Cobram said: I'm amazed by flare resistance. Can you post any photos at F5.6-F11 at infinity focus? My M Summicron 28 is very good at close focus distance and wide open but infinity rendering is not to my liking. I'm seriously considering SL2-s + SL35 or SL28 lens in the future. How about distortion at infinity/landscape/architectural shots? Any impression yet? Maybe it is just me, but from Jono beach photo it seems all people in the left corner are somehow distorted... @jonoslack Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here⊠Simply register for free here â We are always happy to welcome new members! The distortion bottom left seems to me like the distortion seen in any image using a wide angle lens tilted upwards. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted February 22, 2021 Share #155  Posted February 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, Eclectic Man said: The distortion bottom left seems to me like the distortion seen in any image using a wide angle lens tilted upwards. +1 (and hardly any effect of micro-lenses on top of the sensor). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobram Posted February 22, 2021 Share #156 Â Posted February 22, 2021 56 minutes ago, Eclectic Man said: The distortion bottom left seems to me like the distortion seen in any image using a wide angle lens tilted upwards. I see. Thank you for explanation.đ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD_50 Posted February 22, 2021 Share #157  Posted February 22, 2021 7 hours ago, hillavoider said:   i got a ziess 28mm M mount that distorts just like that on the SL2 sensor  i'm a bit cautious with leica as they lied openly about eye auto focus and i suspect they have done the same with the micro lenses claim What makes you think they lie about micro lenses? The performance of wider M lenses is clearly better on digital M and SL cameras than other brands. Tests are available that prove this. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted February 22, 2021 Share #158  Posted February 22, 2021 14 hours ago, Cobram said: I'm amazed by flare resistance. Can you post any photos at F5.6-F11 at infinity focus? My M Summicron 28 is very good at close focus distance and wide open but infinity rendering is not to my liking. I'm seriously considering SL2-s + SL35 or SL28 lens in the future. How about distortion at infinity/landscape/architectural shots? Any impression yet? Maybe it is just me, but from Jono beach photo it seems all people in the left corner are somehow distorted... @jonoslack I suppose posted photos are free to comment and repost (link) here on LUF, but if I in any way made a mistake, please contact me and I will delete my message immediately. I really like your reviews and find them very helpful. I'm torn between SL35 vs 28 and flare+distortion properties are very important to me... that's why I ask. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here⊠Simply register for free here â We are always happy to welcome new members! Hi Cobram First of all, youâre absolutely fine reposting, the images are up for discussion. Secondly, apologies for the delay in answering. Itâs been a bit hectic around here. Thirdly, as others have said, I think that the distortion is just normal for the corner of a wide angle lens. What isnât so normal is how sharp they are! There are quite a lot more images in the associated Lightroom gallery. pretty sure there are some focused at infinity with medium aperture. Finally. thanks for the kind words about the articles. Makes it all worthwhile!  All the best 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
beewee Posted February 23, 2021 Share #159  Posted February 23, 2021 12 hours ago, hillavoider said:   i got a ziess 28mm M mount that distorts just like that on the SL2 sensor  i'm a bit cautious with leica as they lied openly about eye auto focus and i suspect they have done the same with the micro lenses claim I donât believe Leica ever claimed to have optimized their micro lenses on the SL series for rangefinder optics. They said consistently say that the M-camera is the best camera for M-lenses and they also do say they optimize the micro lenses of M camera sensors for M lenses. Leica also says the next best camera aside from an M-camera for M-lenses is an SL camera and the reason is because of the thinner sensor glass filter stack that is much thinner than other manufacturers. Also Leica never said there was eye auto focus as others have mentioned. Itâs iAF which is intelligent AF that dynamically go between AFs and AFc. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hillavoider Posted February 23, 2021 Share #160  Posted February 23, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, Photoworks said: I wonder where you got the impression that Leica SL2 has eye AF. it has iAF and it has Face/Body detect. Watch from 12 minutes they claimed eye and face detection âyou just have to trust themâ https://m.dpreview.com/videos/5340480487/dpreview-tv-leica-sl2-hands-on-first-impressions   Edited February 23, 2021 by hillavoider Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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