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vor 1 Stunde schrieb cboy:

So is this leica first camera with a BSI CMOS sensor? Itll be intresting to see its output compared to the m10. I wonder what the m11 would be hmmm lol

High ISO noise OOC will be similar but pushed shadows noise and color fidelity will be better. I have an S1 vs. SL shot I could post. The SL2-S is a killer for used SL prices IMO.

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37 minutes ago, glenerrolrd said:

Misconception that new SL2-S is smaller or lighter than the SL2 .  Its the same body (essentially ). not like the Panasonic S5 which is smaller and lighter than the S1 .  

 

I sort of like my SL2's size and weight.

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7 minutes ago, Dr. G said:

Assuming the announcement date really is December 10th, do you think we'll have the SL2-S physically in hand before the end of the year?  With the Q2M it seemed like they were available shortly after the official announcement.

The SL2S looks identical to the SL2 so chances are very very high it can be on the shelves and available rather quickly but this is not a prophecy 😆

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I would probably get 2 SL2S even though I still have the SL and the SL2 and the Q2 😅 

Hate to say it but each does serve a critical niche that others do not work so well. 47 mp is a pain no matter how much you tell the computer to bear with it. 24 mp is fine for my studio work and the Q2 is lovely for editorial work where I can just wonder around capturing whatever for whoever's needs are. Probably the Q2's killer feature is the leaf shutter

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Likely posted here somewhere: https://leicarumors.com/2020/12/04/leica-sl2-s-additional-specifications-and-us-pricing.aspx/, and as expected, more or less (will be interesting to see whether the recent  Lumix S* AF update, or similar, is included) 

  • 24.6 MP back-illuminated CMOS sensor
  • 5-axis image stabilization (5.5 steps)
  • Maximum ISO sensitivity: 100,000
  • 4K / C 4K 10-bit 4: 2: 2:
  • Multishot feature with 96MP (the SL2 has a 187MP Multishot)
  • Dimensions: 146 x 107 x 83mm
  • Weight: 850g (931g with battery)
  • US price: $4,895 (compared to $5,995 for their Leica SL2)
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This is interesting. I'm still saving up for the sl2 to pair with my Q2. I'm a big fan of having the same sensor size for all my cameras. Back when I shot with fujifilm I used the xt2 and x100f side by side a lot. 

 

On another note it's interesting to me how Leica is operating as a company. In my short time in the photography world it seemed like leica spent more of their time on special edition M models. Lately they've been spending time on offering truly different experiences on different camera models. I really love the choices they're offering to us photographers. I also don't mind the prices as they help me appreciate them more when I'm finally able to afford them. Also, when Peter Karbe did the "technical deep dives" on leica's lens philosophy it made me appreciate Leica even more. They truly innovate on a technical level which is important to me.

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Re: some questions raised a few posts back.  The Lumix S5 is a bit smaller than the S1 and S1R because those two are much bigger and heavier than the SL2.  Except for the larger battery in the Lumixes, I don't see why a follow-on model couldn't get smaller.  And in recent announcements, Leica has managed to get a few units out to most US stores on or close to the announcement date.  It's the weeks following that date where deliveries can get slow.  So expressing interest early can help.

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Compare the SL2 S to the original SL .  I can see the video features are improved with the new model ...but for photography what's better ?  Assume the SL2 sensor is improved .  If the camera required was for backup ...a used SL would seem to be a better value . 

No question if you want the best Leica solution for video that the Sl2 s will be the go to camera . 

Size and weight is always an issue for street, travel and events ...you can certainly make a body the size of the SL2 work ...but I would most often take my M bodies .  

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9 minutes ago, glenerrolrd said:

If the camera required was for backup ...a used SL would seem to be a better value . 

 

But different control interface and ergonomics, so depends how one chooses to use a backup and prioritizes various factors. Trade offs.

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Nice camera and an attractive price tag if you wish to enter the Leica L eco system. I hope Leica will sell a lot of them! 👍

It appears to be cheaper than the M9 in its time! That is a good move. However, I just checked the current price of the Panasonic S1 option. One can currently get it new for under 2000 EURO. That is Fuji APS-C price territory 🤪

 

 

 

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54 minutes ago, Chaemono said:

In a way, it’s a Sony 24 MPx BSI low-light sensor for M lenses. Can’t wait for Steve Huff‘s review.

It will be the best camera of the best cameras of the past 20 years. He will be amazed how good could be the ergonomics, and how wonderful is the IQ. And of course he will conclude by saying he could not make anything else than buying one or keeping the one he tested. My 2 cents 😇

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vor einer Stunde schrieb Bohns:

It will be the best camera of the best cameras of the past 20 years. He will be amazed how good could be the ergonomics, and how wonderful is the IQ. And of course he will conclude by saying he could not make anything else than buying one or keeping the one he tested. My 2 cents 😇

He hated the low-light high ISO output of the S1R/SL2.

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2 hours ago, Chaemono said:

In a way, it’s a Sony 24 MPx BSI low-light sensor for M lenses. Can’t wait for Steve Huff‘s review.

Well, he will find it great (the greatest camera he ever used), this is quite predictable.   :unsure::DB)

If users have several Leicas then they buy maybe both. But users with a single camera will probably still prefer the SL2 (at least I would).

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11 hours ago, steveBK said:

From the photos and now specs it basically appears to be SL2 body with 24mp sensor.

Whether it is the same 24mp sensor as original SL, and what Maestro processor is an interesting questions.

The Nokishita release answers that.  BSI (new) sensor and Maestro III processor.  Plus IBIS.  The processor upgrade is not all that relevant for stills, since the M10-R does just fine with its Maestro I, and the SL with a Maestro II.  Of course, Leica is not handing out detailed specs of their SOC co-designs.  We don't know whether the step up to the III involves more performance, lower power or both.  But it will be nice not to have to remember where things are hidden in the SL's four-button interface, so having a nearly identical UI will be nice.

edit:  I see that the SL2 uses Maestro III (which comes with 4 GB buffer).  Still, I'll be curious to see if the -S does a  better job on battery life.

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2 hours ago, scott kirkpatrick said:The processor upgrade is not all that relevant for stills, since the M10-R does just fine with its Maestro I, and the SL with a Maestro II.  

 

DFD based autofocus constructs a 3D images of the scene to find the correct focus plane. It is a computationally expensive algorithm.

Do you think a faster processor could speed up the autofocus or is the speed limited by how fast the motors can move the various optical groups?

 

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