35 Summilux Pre-ASPH vs 35 Summicron Pre-ASPH vs 35 Summicron ASPH (2016 edition)

[a.noctilux]

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3 minutes ago, Steven said:

Post a picture of your collection ! 

 

Noway, I must pick them all.

They spread everywhere in drawers, bags ...and so on.

I'm too lazy for that 😉.

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[otto.f]

Just now, Steven said:

Ok, another question then. If you only had to keep one of them ? Dont be lazy on this one. 

Oh I see that I said about the same thing in one of the first posts here, I forgot, so my judgement is quite reliable 😄

[a.noctilux]

Just now, Steven said:

Ok, another question then. If you only had to keep one of them ? Dont be lazy on this one. 

Easy, Summarit-M 2.5/35

 

wait a minute,

or maybe the Summicron 2/35 "I" 8 element so lovely rendering

or 35 Summilux asph. pre-FLE so good all around ?

or Summaron 3.5/3.5 so small ?

...

or I  can not choose 😇

[lct]

Flare is a feature of this lens. Embrace it or try another one. But please don't accuse it to ruin photos you took with full knowledge of its qualities and flaws.

[Guest Nowhereman]

@Steven - On the f/1.4 flare issue on the Summilux, you thought there might be a problem with the lens. Do you know Sylvain Demange at Photo Suffren (7-ème)? You might want to give him a call and ask if he has experience with this lens and can check it out. I don't know Sylvain well: he was recommended to me by Jean-Marc ("JMF"), who told me that I could go in and ask Sylvain to make the minor adjustment on my M3 that allows this camera to focus down to 0.7m rather than 1.0. When I went to see him, he did that and checked the results with a collimator. He wouldn't charge me anything, and I tried to buy something from him, but he didn't have it. If I recall, you have an M3: if you haven't made the adjustment for focusing down to 0.7m, you may want to go see him anyway.

I've had the impression that the Summilux-35 pre-ASPH is very similar to the Summicron-35v4 from f/2 onward. I'd be interested to know if you find that to be true.
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[mmradman]

Still discussing 35mm Summilux...anyone mentioned R version, of course only works with EVF focusing.

Edit; Z7 at ISO 6400 and Summilux R 35mm at max aperture.

 

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[mmradman]

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Or with extension tube, again z7 with Summilux R 35mm at max aperture.

 

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[Guest Nowhereman]

1 hour ago, Steven said:

...Do you mean Jean Marc ?! ...

Yes, I've corrected it in my post above. Jean-Marc Ferrière, the "carioca": we like to speak Brazilian Portuguese together, though he speaks it much better than me, since he lives in Rio de Janeiro and I haven't been in Brazil since 1992.

BTW, the Polka Galerie (PolkaFactory) has put up on their website what they call a "capsule exhibition" in which they're selling prints from my photobook: in three sizes: A4/120€ – A3+/180€ – A2/240€ — and they're throwing in a free copy of the book with each print. This is a brilliant solution because the book alone sells for 98€, which is expensive because of the cost of the complex hand binding. You can see their Frog Leaping print offer by clicking here. The foregoing page has text on the book in French; there is also the text in English if you click on the icon of the book.
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[a.noctilux]

Mladen,

those are nice pictures.

Steven is searching 35mm lens that is smaller than his Summilux-M 35mm asph.

This R lens ( Wiki says 685g and 76mm long ! )may be much bigger than the M

[Aryel]

7 hours ago, Steven said:

Exactly my point. I usually expect from a great lens to work without compromise. I am not saying that I don’t want or shouldn’t learn the lens. Of course, the more you use a tool, the better you use it. That’s true for every tool and for every lens. I have some lenses that everyday i use better than the day before, but it doesn’t mean i have to adapt myself and sacrifice for the lens

I don't have a steel rim, but I am currently going through learning to use a pre-asph 35mm. I also have a summicron v4. If the steel rim is similar to the pre-asph then it does compromise. At least at f1.4, the center is sharp (sharp enough for me). Off center subjects at f1.4 are hit and miss for now for me. i have not really experienced the flare yet, probably because i shoot indoor mostly thede days.

I really did not mean any offense when I I hinted it was your fault. It is just a different perspective: if a shot does not look good because of some aspect of the lens character (flare of others), i consider it's the photographer's fault as he is the one who made all the decisions.... It does not matter here, I think it come up to the same thing in the end: deciding if you like it or not and embracing its character and flaws so that you can make wonderful shots.

If I can make a small suggestion, once you confirm that the lens is working as it should, load your M7 and shoot a few rolls with it (in case you are not doing this already). Trust it and see what you get. 

I apologise but I can't find the picture you uploaded earlier on the thread. Very curious to take a look, could you share a link?

All the best with it!

[mmradman]

2 hours ago, a.noctilux said:

Mladen,

those are nice pictures.

Steven is searching 35mm lens that is smaller than his Summilux-M 35mm asph.

This R lens ( Wiki says 685g and 76mm long ! )may be much bigger than the M

Agree, weight and size matter for hand holding but as i understand it Steven is into movies and heavy lens can be toerated on supported video rig. Old R lens is spherical optical design with nice closee focus rendering.  

[lct]

3 hours ago, Steven said:

For now, i disagree with you, so until i align myself with your opinion, i will continue of criticizing it, not accuse it, of not being able to take some photos that i want to take. 

As you like but what's the point of criticizing a flary lens for flaring? It was like that at HCB's era and it will remain so after us. Just don't put yourself in the situation where flares occurs and la vie est belle. Just shot this masterwork in my garden. If it were not done on purpose i would not claim that the lens is the culprit . 

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[Guest Nowhereman]

52 minutes ago, Steven said:

Nice, will check this out now. 

JMF is great. 

Have you seen his Indian (Marathi) film? Great cinematography.
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[Guest Nowhereman]

^ I think I have it somewhere in the depths of my computer, but I'm sure he'll get back to you on this.

[DezFoto]

35 minutes ago, Steven said:

This flare, which reminds me of the Nokton flare, is perfectly acceptable to me. I would welcome it in any shot. 

This type of behaviour, however, I heavily criticise. 

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1vcwCW-QUE_BEGYhNlFrL_m6wn2x2BXpu?usp=sharing

 

That lens has really bad coma, which can cause a lot of undesirable effects when shot wide open. It's the trade off for a simple lens design with a large maximum aperture in a compact body. 

[Guest JMF]

44 minutes ago, Steven said:

@JMF we are talking about you around here 😂😜

Hello there, 

just looked at  Steven's linked shots and it looks like your lens might have some haze and needs a cleaning . As mentioned, Photo Suffren is the place I recommend in Paris to service Leica gear. 

https://www.photosuffren.com

Anyhow,  you need to use the Ollux hood or a vented hood. Your very lens was mine some time ago before I sold it to another forum member . I was using it fitted  with a step up ring and a e46 vented hood to help prevent flare and vignetting .

I do not have shots with this issue taken with the Steel Rim lens, yet have quite a few taken with the 1969 35 Summilux v2 lens (fitted with a UV IR filter and a 12504 vented hood) and a M8  I had when working on Sunrise , the movie Mitch and you are mentioning. They show the 35 Summilux v2  signature flare I'd say, different from the flare of your shots.

https://www.asiapacificscreenawards.com/apsa-nominees-winners/2015/best-cinematography/jean-marc-ferriere-sunrise-arunoday

Sunrise was shot with a 1980's  Zeiss set  of primes, a Arri Alexa and a Red camera.

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Arri Alexa geared up by JM__, on Flickr

The first day of filming about to start... by JM__, on Flickr

 

in Goa by JM__, on Flickr

Cheers, JM.

 

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[Guest JMF]

These shots were taken with the 35 Steel Rim lens Steven owns now I believe ( ex goggled version converted to use without goggles) on a M10:

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[url=https://flic.kr/p/2gzZwF4

]Untitled[/url] by JM__, on Flickr

Untitled by JM__, on Flickr

The above shots were not shot wide open though.

These were (wrong exif lens code entered):

Atelier des Lumières, Van Gogh, Paris by JM__, on Flickr

Atelier des Lumières, Van Gogh, Paris by JM__, on Flickr

Best regards, Jean-Marc.

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[lct]

Nice pics. It is perfectly possible to shoot into the light with the Summilux 35/1.4 (here v2 at f/1.4 on digital CL). But shooting at night in Paris streets is a challenge for which i would never use that lens if i wanted to avoid flare personally. Better photogs than me would certainly succeed but they would play with flare instead of trying to hide it i suspect.

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[Aryel]

7 hours ago, Steven said:

The flare at night 

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1vcwCW-QUE_BEGYhNlFrL_m6wn2x2BXpu?usp=sharing

Thanks a lot for sharing. This convey your point very clearly. 

I don't know how similar they are but I definitely need to get more familiar with my pre-asph v2.

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On 2/3/2021 at 8:12 PM, Steven said:

I was in live view mode, this was not the issue. The issue is that the lens didn't not allow me (technically) to get the shot that I wanted. I had to adapt myself around the lens. Even an extremely talented photographer who's shot nothing else but this lens for the past 120 years could not have gotten the exact shot I wanted. Technically not possible, because of the flaring. Because of it, I didn't get the shot I wanted. 

That being said, of course I'll learn to work with it, around it.... if I decide to keep it. 

I feel your pain.

Was it a brown bench or maybe green painted metal?