ottoiso Posted July 2, 2014 Author Share #21 Posted July 2, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) this is quite mysterious for me, jerzy: not only around the lettering of the logo but also all around the other symbols (R and the arrow for rewind; auf, zu and the arrows on the bottom plate; the arrow that indicates the speed) paint is "eroded". Thus I thought it was a case of deliberate scraping off by some owner. Clearly this suppose a new layer of painting over the original layer. Maybe I'm wrong, but why, the "erosion of paint around the lettering is not unusual"? It is a physical or chemical or mechanical question? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Universalb50 Posted July 2, 2014 Share #22 Posted July 2, 2014 I was also wondering if this camera had been repainted; the paint seems too thick? If so, is it a good idea to refinish and repaint it to a higher standard? Also, is the leatherette on this particular camera still original? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 2, 2014 Share #23 Posted July 2, 2014 this is quite mysterious for me, jerzy: not only around the lettering of the logo but also all around the other symbols (R and the arrow for rewind; auf, zu and the arrows on the bottom plate; the arrow that indicates the speed) paint is "eroded". Thus I thought it was a case of deliberate scraping off by some owner. Clearly this suppose a new layer of painting over the original layer. Maybe I'm wrong, but why, the "erosion of paint around the lettering is not unusual"? It is a physical or chemical or mechanical question? Note that the metal has eroded as well. Could it be that somebody painted out all the lettering (maybe for the reason given earlier) and that the paint reacted with the metal? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerzy Posted July 2, 2014 Share #24 Posted July 2, 2014 I am pretty sure that this is still original paint. I canoot see it on the fotos, if there was transparent paint put over the original paint. Paint erosion is chemical process between the paint and alloy used for lettering (Woods metal?). You could also notice anoher erosion on brass - green spots. From my observation this is due to long storage in the leather evererady case. I store my cameras, except those which I use for making fotos, without the case in normal room temperature and humidity. But there is nothing wrong with this erosion - just clean is softly and leave as it is. Camera has wonderful "patina", repainting would make it worse. And comment to Elmar - very nice condition, however the Elmar from the time of production year of camera should be 11o'clock Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottoiso Posted July 2, 2014 Author Share #25 Posted July 2, 2014 jerzy: "And comment to Elmar - very nice condition, however the Elmar from the time of production year of camera should be 11o'clock" The pawl is seven o'clock at infinity!? However the Elmar is from 1936:confused: Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerzy Posted July 2, 2014 Share #26 Posted July 2, 2014 correct, your Elmar has infinity lock at 7 o'clock. 11 o'clock looks like on this one of mine (SN77xxx). I am not sure when Leica switched to 11, I believe that it must have been around 1932 jerzy Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/229754-fake-or-real/?do=findComment&comment=2622635'>More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted July 2, 2014 Share #27 Posted July 2, 2014 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) jerzy: "And comment to Elmar - very nice condition, however the Elmar from the time of production year of camera should be 11o'clock" The pawl is seven o'clock at infinity!? However the Elmar is from 1936:confused: The "11 o'clock" Elmars are , afaik, all marked 50mm, not 5cm (by converse, "7 o'clock" 50mm Elmars do exist) ; Jerzy, compliments for your "five digits" Elmar.... I'd like to have one.... Edited July 2, 2014 by luigi bertolotti Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Washington Posted July 2, 2014 Share #28 Posted July 2, 2014 Luigi, Boy would ever have some fun with This!:Lucky YOU! 1 Strip all covering 2 Disassemble complete Machine 3 Strip all Paint from body parts 4 Lightly bead bast same with plastic media 5 Chemical clean 6 Light coat of acid etch primer with airbrush 7 thin coat of semi gloss black epoxy baked 200 degrees 8 rep-plate plated parts 9 ultra-sonic clean all interior parts, reassemble and adjust all 10 lube withSwiss Moebius synthetic watch oil 11 disassemble all rangefinder glass, super clean and re-glue with modern cement 12 New goat-skin covering 13 reassemble. What is the hole in the back for? And I don't care if it's fake or not. Cheers, Rip Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/229754-fake-or-real/?do=findComment&comment=2622821'>More sharing options...
jerzy Posted July 3, 2014 Share #29 Posted July 3, 2014 Whole was used on Leica I and non-standard to match the focal length to the body by adding shims under the flange. This Leica is already standartised (0 on flange) as it was produced but Leitz still had left the screw ( reusing already prepared shells?). @luigi-my 11 o'clock Elmar is 50mm, SN995xx Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted July 3, 2014 Share #30 Posted July 3, 2014 I am pretty sure that this is still original paint. I agree, the paint looks totally original. The corrosion around the lettering is caused because the edges of the lettering/engravings have the thinnest paint and is more prone to chipping and rubbing, so this wears off first. Then whatever environment the camera is used or kept in can attack the brass and getting under the surrounding paint. Steve Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 3, 2014 Share #31 Posted July 3, 2014 Refurbishing it would be destroying it imo - just gently get it working. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottoiso Posted July 3, 2014 Author Share #32 Posted July 3, 2014 For it works I think to test it by a film roll and then to bring it to a craftsman for an opinion about a possible future restoring. But for the present I'm quite sure to let it be as it is Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted July 3, 2014 Share #33 Posted July 3, 2014 Right decision, otto... if it works decently, Genova is not too far and, as you probabky know, can be the right place for it... (Samca | Newimaging) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottoiso Posted July 3, 2014 Author Share #34 Posted July 3, 2014 Right decision, otto... if it works decently, Genova is not too far and, as you probabky know, can be the right place for it... (Samca | Newimaging) I know Samca, Luigi. Thanks anyway; in return https://archive.org/details/leicamanual000737mbp (perhaps you know it too) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted July 5, 2014 Share #35 Posted July 5, 2014 ... in the historical section we have really a bunch of smart and knowledged guys... ... and not only in the Collectors and Historica section. Pete. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted July 5, 2014 Share #36 Posted July 5, 2014 ... and not only in the Collectors and Historica section. Pete. + 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Washington Posted July 5, 2014 Share #37 Posted July 5, 2014 Oh, p-tooey on this keep it original stuff. I like stuff that looks good and works as well as it looks! What are we talking about here? The Mona Lisa? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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