wildlightphoto Posted September 19, 2009 Share #61 Posted September 19, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Isn't this a rather moot debate Doug? I would have thought the biggest weight issue for you will be the 350mm telephoto lens - if it ever materialises. It's all very well praising the body for its size relative to a scaled up D3X but having handled the 70/F2.5 I suspect the 350mm is going to be a monster. Combined with a TC of some sort this is surely going to be a world away from what you are used to with the DMR+400? To repeat an earlier post - realistically the S2 is not a good fit for me, partly because of the $$$$$, partly because of the limited long-lens options, and partly because of how my subjects respond to a big camera. What I like about the S2 is the thinking that went into it, particularly if the concept could be scaled down to fit a 24mm x 36mm sensor, with R mount. The Nikon D3x does not fit this concept, not even close. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jamie Roberts Posted September 22, 2009 Share #62 Posted September 22, 2009 {snipped} What grates at me is that if it were shrunken down to 24mm x 36mm so that my existing R lenses and extension tubes would fit, this is very nearly my dream camera: the small camera / big picture concept, the minimal extraneous features, the excellent viewfinder, responsiveness and weather sealing are all on my 'must have' checklist. Shrink it down to R10 size ... oops, I mean R9 size, there's no R10... and I'd be first in line. I'd keep you company in that line, Doug, as I'm sure many others would too. I still don't understand why this isn't forthcoming from Leica. Maybe not enough differentiation from the S2 itself... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 22, 2009 Share #63 Posted September 22, 2009 To repeat an earlier post - realistically the S2 is not a good fit for me, partly because of the $$$$$, partly because of the limited long-lens options, and partly because of how my subjects respond to a big camera. What I like about the S2 is the thinking that went into it, particularly if the concept could be scaled down to fit a 24mm x 36mm sensor, with R mount. The Nikon D3x does not fit this concept, not even close. Doug, please don't... I would have to get one then, and the M9 and the lenses I bought this year cleaned out my photography budget for quite a stretch into the future.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgcd Posted September 22, 2009 Share #64 Posted September 22, 2009 What I like about the S2 is the thinking that went into it, particularly if the concept could be scaled down to fit a 24mm x 36mm sensor, with R mount... [snipped...] I totally agree with you on this one. That's the only thing that would make sense for me if it were available... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguewave Posted September 22, 2009 Author Share #65 Posted September 22, 2009 I wonder if we could put a thread together that could catalogue all the current R users that would put a deposit down for a simple, FF R body, with manual focus, a wide range of ISO (1600-100) Aperture controlled program, with no extraneous extras. A R "CL". If we could find a large enough group, would that convince Leica's management? I'm ready to get going on some way to make Leica see there's a profit in such a proposition. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdb Posted September 22, 2009 Share #66 Posted September 22, 2009 I agree to be on that list right now! Gérard Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted September 23, 2009 Share #67 Posted September 23, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I wonder if we could put a thread together that could catalogue all the current R users that would put a deposit down for a simple, FF R body, with manual focus, a wide range of ISO (1600-100) Aperture controlled program, with no extraneous extras. A R "CL". If we could find a large enough group, would that convince Leica's management? I'm ready to get going on some way to make Leica see there's a profit in such a proposition. It doesn't have to be a manual focus camera; it just has to accept manual focus R glass I don't even care if it's an R body. I actually want a cut down 35mm FF S2, please, that's compatible with R glass. Use the processors to shove more data around. Keep everything else, including the pro service plan. Heck, I'd buy S2 lenses and use them cropped Talk about your upgrade path Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
germio Posted September 23, 2009 Share #68 Posted September 23, 2009 I'll join the list too. That Leica decided to ditch the R10 isn't so much that they couldn't turn a profit on the R10 per se but that they couldn't see that market grow further. After all, they sold about 6000 DMRs in total (if I remember correctly) and as a "compromise" solution I'd say that's a pretty good number. They should be able to sell 15,000-20,000 of a "final run" of fullframe digital Rs which would be pretty good -- if you compare to the 10,000 Ms they sell in a year. I can see the viability. We just have to push harder. In my opinion Leica bet on the wrong horse going for the S2. Earlier this month they had 50 pre-orders. That sounds like a terribly small number to me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georg Posted September 25, 2009 Share #69 Posted September 25, 2009 It's not so much about S2 as "replacement" for the R10, or letting the R-System die in favor of the S-system. They would have come up with the S2 anyway and seeing the competition there it seems a wise choice from a long-term perspective (not just the S2 but establishing a professional system at all). From what we know, the R10 (don't forget the set of AF-lenses they needed to develop!) died in favor of the new EVIL-system which could finally combine the advantages of the M AND R-system (and also using both lens-types - the AF-lenses for the R10 would just be recently developed curiosities)! But we'll have to wait for Photokina 2010 I guess. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted September 25, 2009 Share #70 Posted September 25, 2009 (edited) An EVIL system to replace both the M and R would be the best way to waste the last penny in their bank account. Edited September 25, 2009 by sdai Sorry folks, it has to be kept short. :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhoersch Posted September 25, 2009 Share #71 Posted September 25, 2009 I wonder if we could put a thread together that could catalogue all the current R users that would put a deposit down for a simple, FF R body, with manual focus, a wide range of ISO (1600-100) Aperture controlled program, with no extraneous extras. A R "CL". If we could find a large enough group, would that convince Leica's management? I'm ready to get going on some way to make Leica see there's a profit in such a proposition. Count me in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 25, 2009 Share #72 Posted September 25, 2009 I wonder if we could put a thread together that could catalogue all the current R users that would put a deposit down for a simple, FF R body, with manual focus, a wide range of ISO (1600-100) Aperture controlled program, with no extraneous extras. A R "CL"... Or a digital R4s. We don't need AF, IS, EVF, live view or other gadgets. Just a simple camera with a bright viewfinder and a quiet shutter. But we are not many enough i'm afraid. Count me in anyway. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/95991-s2-is-a-dream/?do=findComment&comment=1050247'>More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted September 26, 2009 Share #73 Posted September 26, 2009 Or a digital R4s. I'd want it to be a little more robust, show manual shutter speeds in the viewfinder, and have a right-hand grip like the R8 has. With these changes I could work with an R4sD. Give it an SL viewfinder and I'd be delighted with it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonevt Posted September 26, 2009 Share #74 Posted September 26, 2009 I would buy an R10.....how about an R6.2 build with a full frame sensor....you can even have AF lenses as long as my manual lenses also fit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhsimmonds Posted October 2, 2009 Share #75 Posted October 2, 2009 I wonder if we could put a thread together that could catalogue all the current R users that would put a deposit down for a simple, FF R body, with manual focus, a wide range of ISO (1600-100) Aperture controlled program, with no extraneous extras. A R "CL". If we could find a large enough group, would that convince Leica's management? I'm ready to get going on some way to make Leica see there's a profit in such a proposition. I'm in! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted October 8, 2009 Share #76 Posted October 8, 2009 The "solution" is a S2 camera with a lower price. Any 24x36mm reflex camera would be a questionable success in the short term and a sure failure in the long term. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvalarcher Posted October 9, 2009 Share #77 Posted October 9, 2009 I'm in! I'm also in! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
artur5 Posted October 11, 2009 Share #78 Posted October 11, 2009 Me too. ! . But that's not going to happen. It wouldn't make any sense for Leica to build such a camera with so small potential customers base. The solution for R users is not around the corner ( unless you 'canonize' your lenses ) Maybe -maybe- the next M will sport a full frame CMOS sensor with liveview and an usable EV. That would allow the use of M , R lenses and others brands glass too, with some constraints: no optical viewfinder for focusing/accurate framing and no automatic iris coupling. Let's face it; right now either we use our R lenses on a R film body ( or R8/9 and DMR) or we have to go the Canon-Nikon route. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnelsch Posted October 13, 2009 Share #79 Posted October 13, 2009 Count me in. The problem with the S2 is the perception that Leica leaves its customer base in the lurch. I bought my first Leicaflex in 1968 and I bought my R8 in 1998 BECAUSE it was designed to ultimately connect with the DMR before the DMR was ever engineered. I will not buy an S2 simply because I cannot afford to spend the money on a completely new system only to be abandoned a few years down the road. I can only hope that Leica will see the disaster about to befall them by leaving a significant portion of their customer base in the dust. Leica has abandoned it's R base completely - witness the emails about not being able to repair the DMR. What's to prevent them from abandoning the S2 base? Sorry for the rant but I am with Doug on this. Bill in Denver Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvalarcher Posted October 13, 2009 Share #80 Posted October 13, 2009 Count me in. The problem with the S2 is the perception that Leica leaves its customer base in the lurch. I bought my first Leicaflex in 1968 and I bought my R8 in 1998 BECAUSE it was designed to ultimately connect with the DMR before the DMR was ever engineered. I will not buy an S2 simply because I cannot afford to spend the money on a completely new system only to be abandoned a few years down the road. I can only hope that Leica will see the disaster about to befall them by leaving a significant portion of their customer base in the dust. Leica has abandoned it's R base completely - witness the emails about not being able to repair the DMR. What's to prevent them from abandoning the S2 base? Sorry for the rant but I am with Doug on this. Bill in Denver that's my exact feeling! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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