Jeff S Posted September 5 Share #2361 Posted September 5 Advertisement (gone after registration) 4 minutes ago, T25UFO said: I wish I knew what OSPDAF and CFA means, but thank you anyway 🙂 https://camera-wiki.org/wiki/OSPDAF https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_filter_array 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SrMi Posted September 5 Share #2362 Posted September 5 2 minutes ago, T25UFO said: I wish I knew what OSPDAF and CFA means, but thank you anyway 🙂 OSPDAF is On-Sensor Phase Detect AF, where pixels have been modified (via microlenses) to act as AF sensors instead of collecting image data. CFA stands for Color Filter Array, which is a regular Bayer pattern on Leica color cameras and is omitted on monochrom cameras. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightPix Posted September 5 Share #2363 Posted September 5 9 hours ago, T25UFO said: We are veering off topic True and I’m sorry for that. On topic, the same article reiterated that the M11-V will not alter Leica’s plan to offer the next iteration of the RF-M. However, Leica has apparently dropped efforts to trademark “M12” so there is some confusion as to what the next RF-M camera might be called. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
intermediatic Posted September 5 Share #2364 Posted September 5 People say that both Q3M and the EVF Leica are on the way. That said, if they don’t make the a camera called an M12 due to trademark issues, they sure won’t make an M13! And 14 is unlucky in China. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightPix Posted September 5 Share #2365 Posted September 5 28 minutes ago, intermediatic said: People say that both Q3M and the EVF Leica are on the way. That said, if they don’t make the a camera called an M12 due to trademark issues, they sure won’t make an M13! And 14 is unlucky in China. One option might be to use the issue year to designate the new RF model (M26 ?). It’s all too confusing for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
T25UFO Posted September 5 Share #2366 Posted September 5 (edited) 29 minutes ago, NightPix said: One option might be to use the issue year to designate the new RF model (M26 ?). It’s all too confusing for me. Or maybe go back to the 240 era when Leica tried to emulate Porsche. There’s only ever been one 911 but the model is differentiated by type numbers. It still works for Porsche but didn’t really work for Leica. Something needs to change. M12 doesn’t really sound right whereas M11 does (OK, just my opinion) but M13 is a definite no! Maybe Leica will just drop the number sequence altogether. Edited September 5 by T25UFO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
odoomi Posted September 5 Share #2367 Posted September 5 Advertisement (gone after registration) Am 4.9.2025 um 08:01 schrieb Steve Ash: That would sound like a monochrom version of the Q3 to me Whatever they call it… the point is that it should be a Q with an M mount rather than an M with an EVF… 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 5 Share #2368 Posted September 5 So we had M1, M2, M3, M4, M4-2, M4-P, M5, M6 & variants, M7, M8 & M8.2, M9, the oddly named "M" to which everybody added a number, as expected, M10, M11, the expected M11-V, and suddently this would change, because of what exactly? Strange... 🤪 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tseg Posted September 6 Share #2369 Posted September 6 The M12 has already been taken by someone else and Leica can't use, is my understanding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 6 Share #2370 Posted September 6 3 hours ago, odoomi said: Whatever they call it… the point is that it should be a Q with an M mount rather than an M with an EVF… The Q has no mount by definition. Also it is not an interchangeable lens camera, and it is an AF camera contrary the EVF-M or M11-V. Strange that the Q name name springs to mind so often then, is it because it has an EVF? Just curious. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
beewee Posted September 6 Share #2371 Posted September 6 The could go the Samsung route and call it the M26, assuming it comes out in 2026, or M27 if it comes out in 2027. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
costa43 Posted September 6 Author Share #2372 Posted September 6 8 hours ago, odoomi said: Whatever they call it… the point is that it should be a Q with an M mount rather than an M with an EVF… M with EVF was inevitable at some point. We just don’t want it to the only M!. A Q style camera with an L mount would be more interesting for those who don’t want the bigger SL bodies. The L to M adapter is tiny and you retain the ability to use the L mount glass with all the benefits you get there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
costa43 Posted September 6 Author Share #2373 Posted September 6 (edited) 5 hours ago, Tseg said: The M12 has already been taken by someone else and Leica can't use, is my understanding. What if they just add a letter after the M12. So all models have something after the M12, like M12S, M12P etc. Can they still not use it. If not, maybe they will revert back to M (Typ…) Edited September 6 by costa43 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNK100 Posted September 6 Share #2374 Posted September 6 9 hours ago, odoomi said: Whatever they call it… the point is that it should be a Q with an M mount rather than an M with an EVF… The Q has an integrated lens and sensor assembly with the rear of the lens extremely close to the sensor. This would not allow for the use of interchangeable lenses and has been discussed many times here. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted September 6 Share #2375 Posted September 6 M-C (M Classic). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted September 6 Share #2376 Posted September 6 6 hours ago, JNK100 said: The Q has an integrated lens and sensor assembly with the rear of the lens extremely close to the sensor. This would not allow for the use of interchangeable lenses and has been discussed many times here. While that’s the popular thought it’s not entirely true. The sensor is part of the assembly but when installed in the camera it is fixed in a permanent position. The flange distance is actually greater than the m mount at 30mm. In macro mode it is 17mm which is less than m mount. The Q would have to be redesigned to accept M lenses making it thicker than it is after adding an M mount bayonet flange. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted September 6 Share #2377 Posted September 6 2 hours ago, jdlaing said: The flange distance is actually greater than the m mount at 30mm. In macro mode it is 17mm which is less than m mount. Are you sure that macro mode changes the flange to sensor distance? Can you imagine how this will work? Macro usually can be achieved by prolonging the flange to sensor distance, at least the lens elements will be farther away from the senor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted September 6 Share #2378 Posted September 6 1 hour ago, UliWer said: Are you sure that macro mode changes the flange to sensor distance? Can you imagine how this will work? Macro usually can be achieved by prolonging the flange to sensor distance, at least the lens elements will be farther away from the senor. I’m pretty sure that’s how it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graphlex Posted September 6 Share #2379 Posted September 6 (edited) Twenty-six letters are too few for the name of this advanced new M Camera. And so: M 🔆 Edited September 6 by graphlex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marchyman Posted September 6 Share #2380 Posted September 6 17 hours ago, Tseg said: The M12 has already been taken by someone else and Leica can't use, is my understanding. That someone else being Microsoft who registered the trademark in 2020, filed for registration in 2018. https://trademarks.justia.com/880/95/m12-88095745.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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