Did the May 2024 firmware update 2.1.1. solve your M11 freezing problems?

[sebas_]

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vor 20 Stunden schrieb sebas_:

Have tried to take some photos today, but the issue got worse. Camera is set to auto iso and auto shutter speed. When I disable live view the shutter speed gets frozen, no change in shutter speed  when I point the camera into the sky or ground. No change when I change aperture from closed to open. Images are of course completely dark or blown out. Shutter is not half-pressed.
When I activate live view, shutter speed is adjusted again as it should be. When I disable live view again, shutter speed is stuck on the last setting, when live view was enabled.

I’m fed up now. It is simply ridiculous. 

Just an update on the Auto Shutterspeed part. I have reseted the camera and deleted all the profiles, and it seems that did the trick. Hopefully it will not return again, still no clue, what caused it. 

Edited June 18, 2024 by sebas_

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[TeleElmar135mm]

The question is, are there new users having freezes with 2.1.1? How many useres are affected? Are the affected users always the same ones?

There are many images in this forum but also in other forums showing M11-images and didn't mention that there were freezes. So you have three possibilities: 1.) All M11 are affected, 2.) there are batches with defective hardware 3.) or it happend because of individual mistakes or a certan setting.

or #4: The users ignore the problem because it's a Leica and have freezes - but at that price of the camera?

[lct]

4 minutes ago, sebas_ said:

I have reseted the camera and deleted all the profiles, and it seems that did the trick [...]

My tip 7

 

[crons]

21 minutes ago, TeleElmar135mm said:

1.) All M11 are affected, 2.) there are batches with defective hardware 3.) or it happend because of individual mistakes or a certan setting.

or #4: The users ignore the problem because it's a Leica and have freezes

All of the above 

[TeleElmar135mm]

Admittedly, points 1-4 were worded a bit “mean”. Because if point 1 is true, point 2 cannot be true. Since there are also users who do not have freezes, point 1 cannot apply either. Then point 2 or 3 could apply. Point 3 (individual errors), this could be point 1 if all cameras are affected, or point 2 if not all cameras are affected and the same applies to point 3 (certain setting).

Point 4: we all live on a disk and it is red with white lettering and the middle of the disk is Wetzlar

[tom0511]

vor 2 Stunden schrieb crons:

This is going to fall on deaf ears because people will say "I charge my batteries in the camera without problems"  

So I will give this advice that nobody will listen to... until they fry their camera. So here it goes 

YOUR CAMERA IS NOT A CHARGER 

If you need to charge your batteries put them in a charger. 

So now go ahead and keep using your camera as a charger. 🙂

If Leica claims the camera does offer this function (and they do), to charge in camera, then it should work without any compromises IMO.

Travelling with various cameras and other gear every additional charger is a pain...

[elmars]

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vor 2 Stunden schrieb TeleElmar135mm:

This sounds to me that this is also a hardware problem.

If it was a hardware problem, it would be obvious that Leica would have fixed it with the M11-Monochrom or at the latest with the M11-P. However, all models are equally affected.

[Knorp]

25 minutes ago, elmars said:

If it was a hardware problem, it would be obvious that Leica would have fixed it with the M11-Monochrom or at the latest with the M11-P. However, all models are equally affected.

Perhaps they are not aware yet of any real hardware problem. Think of an electronic component with required tight tolerances and some random batches are just out of specification. Seems to me a tall order to mitigate or solve that with software.

[TeleElmar135mm]

vor einer Stunde schrieb Knorp:

Perhaps they are not aware yet of any real hardware problem. Think of an electronic component with required tight tolerances and some random batches are just out of specification. Seems to me a tall order to mitigate or solve that with software.

It remembers me a little bit to the "FDIV bug" from petnium Prozessors: It refers to a hardware error in the Intel Pentium processor. The error became known in November 1994, a year and a half after its market launch, and leads to inaccurate results when performing floating point divisions with certain, relatively few value pairs.

The second thoght is: There are many new features have been added into the M11 software with a prozessor Maestro III, the same from the SL2 but the pixelcount hast increased. The SL3 has the Maesto IV, Perhaps an overload problem and the prozessor stops ????

[satijntje]

Since I updated my M11 Monochrom to Firmware 2.1.1 I have not seen a single freeze.
So this seems to solve the problem on my Camera at least.

[Knorp]

vor 1 Stunde schrieb satijntje:

Since I updated my M11 Monochrom to Firmware 2.1.1 I have not seen a single freeze.
So this seems to solve the problem on my Camera at least.

Lucky you

no freeze with 2.0.1,  the first freeze right after the update from 2.0.1 tot 2.0.2, no freeze with 2.0.2 and with 2.1.1 twice.

Go figure !

[Fritz Fritz]

9 hours ago, crons said:

This is going to fall on deaf ears because people will say "I charge my batteries in the camera without problems"  

So I will give this advice that nobody will listen to... until they fry their camera. So here it goes 

YOUR CAMERA IS NOT A CHARGER 

If you need to charge your batteries put them in a charger. 

So now go ahead and keep using your camera as a charger. 🙂

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Page 30 of the manual disagrees with you.

[Herr Barnack]

11 hours ago, TeleElmar135mm said:

Some say FW 2.1.1 is the solution, other say that there are still freezings. This sounds to me that this is also a hardware problem. The question ist - and that must Leica answer - are there diffrent components in some production batches? Or an other supplier? Or any other change? The Sony R V (has a similar sensor) had in the beginning also (minor) problems with freezing. Perhaps a sensor problem? ...

It is beyond all reason that 29 months after the release of the M11, buyers are still having $9200 USD cameras come out of the box that are dysfunctional. 🙄

[crons]

5 hours ago, Fritz Fritz said:

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Page 30 of the manual disagrees with you.

The only thing to take from that is to switch it to OFF and put the battery on a charger.

But as I predicted this reply, go ahead and keep charging your battery in camera.

Actually once I sold an entry level Sony to someone. Many years ago. The only way to charge the battery was in the camera. The camera came with a charger and a cable. He still managed to fry the camera using another USB charger he had for an iPad.

The best thing to do, again, is not to use your camera as a charger and turn this off. And again, no one will listen so go ahead. I just wanted to leave it here so I can quote it and say “I told you so” when someone fries their M.

Edited June 19, 2024 by crons

[Malabito]

2 hours ago, crons said:

The only thing to take from that is to switch it to OFF and put the battery on a charger.

But as I predicted this reply, go ahead and keep charging your battery in camera.

Actually once I sold an entry level Sony to someone. Many years ago. The only way to charge the battery was in the camera. The camera came with a charger and a cable. He still managed to fry the camera using another USB charger he had for an iPad.

The best thing to do, again, is not to use your camera as a charger and turn this off. And again, no one will listen so go ahead. I just wanted to leave it here so I can quote it and say “I told you so” when someone fries their M.

If someone fries their camera by charging it via USB, it's not the person's fault; it's Leica's for having a terrible design. Nowadays, it's almost impossible to damage a device via USB charging. It's not the 90s anymore.

I personally don't do it because I'd rather avoid the risk of the camera falling from the table.

[mattcheol]

2 hours ago, crons said:

The only thing to take from that is to switch it to OFF and put the battery on a charger.

But as I predicted this reply, go ahead and keep charging your battery in camera.

Actually once I sold an entry level Sony to someone. Many years ago. The only way to charge the battery was in the camera. The camera came with a charger and a cable. He still managed to fry the camera using another USB charger he had for an iPad.

The best thing to do, again, is not to use your camera as a charger and turn this off. And again, no one will listen so go ahead. I just wanted to leave it here so I can quote it and say “I told you so” when someone fries their M.

I mean it's literally a feature. to charge with USB C in body? that way when you are traveling you don't need to bring the charger with you. Basically everything these days charges via USB-C. So I sorta hear what you are saying, but just can't think that is a valid concern. 

[Edax]

Leica M11 charging-in-camera is early compliance with EU directive 2022/2380. The leaked M11-D manual shows that it will come without a charger in the box, so expect all next M's to come without a charger. 

[FlashGordonPhotography]

4 hours ago, crons said:

The only thing to take from that is to switch it to OFF and put the battery on a charger.

But as I predicted this reply, go ahead and keep charging your battery in camera.

Actually once I sold an entry level Sony to someone. Many years ago. The only way to charge the battery was in the camera. The camera came with a charger and a cable. He still managed to fry the camera using another USB charger he had for an iPad.

The best thing to do, again, is not to use your camera as a charger and turn this off. And again, no one will listen so go ahead. I just wanted to leave it here so I can quote it and say “I told you so” when someone fries their M.

Unless there was a fault in the camera or charger this is almost impossible to do. ANY camera with in camera charging ability has protocols and circuitry to draw only what it needs and to refuse charge if the charger is incompatible. It’s even less likely now with the USBC PD protocols that most modern devices use, where the charger and the device talk to each other.

I have at least 20 cameras that charge in camera and have never had a problem like this. Even my old RX1RII still happily charges over USB. As does my original Leica T. As for my M11 and M11M? The chargers are still in the box. 2 years and zero issues.

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[FlashGordonPhotography]

1 hour ago, Edax said:

Leica M11 charging-in-camera is early compliance with EU directive 2022/2380. The leaked M11-D manual shows that it will come without a charger in the box, so expect all next M's to come without a charger. 

Unfortunately I really think that just means Leica will make a few more dollars because they don’t ship a charger. I doubt the price will take that into account. Just like the ever shrinking size of a packet of crisps… Personalily I like to travel with two ways to charge a battery. Useful if you have a spare on a trip. Expect a new pricey double battery charger at great expense to be available as an accessory. Just like my SL3’s.

Gordon

[lct]

11 minutes ago, FlashGordonPhotography said:

I have at least 20 cameras that charge in camera and have never had a problem like this. Even my old RX1RII still happily charges over USB. As does my original Leica T. As for my M11 and M11M? The chargers are still in the box. 2 years and zero issues.

We are all different. If the M12 does not come with a proper charger, as i expect it, my money will be better invested elsewhere.