Do You Have A Trouble Free M11 or M11M?

[JohnQ]

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And nor does it negatively affect my M11. Nothing does at least at this stage.

[Jamie Roberts]

20 hours ago, algrove said:

So The Leica Fotos App does not seem to negatively affect your M11.

I tried this too, just to complete my own testing on 2.02. Still no issues whatsoever with my M11P, but to be honest, I'm not likely to use FOTOS much in future. 

I don't have content credentials turned on, and haven't had it turned on. That's the last "new feature" of the M11P I haven't tried, and from what I've read, here and elsewhere, I don't think I'm going to turn it on anytime soon. 

So far still so good! 
 

[tom0511]

Am 2.4.2024 um 19:58 schrieb Smogg:

A lens is an expensive and complex device. Any filter is a much cheaper thing. The combination of these things is not taken into account by the lens designers and there will obviously be unintended aberrations due to the addition of two refractive surfaces

The question is how much and do you see it?

 

[Knorp]

On 4/1/2024 at 8:52 AM, Knorp said:

One month into my M11-P and guess what ?

Still no corruption, no freezes: just happily shooting away (while it lasts ... 🤞).

Admittedly, I don't use Burst mode, I don't use Leica Fotos, I don't use Touch-screen.

Just simple plain use of my M and for more 'hightech' stuff I'm using my GFX100ii.

BTW the box reads 20231107.

Happy Easter !

I did the unthinkable: updated from 2.0.1 to 2.0.2 !

Some remarks though:

• After the update the camera was unresponsive, on/off switch didn't work. Freeze !
• So I had to pull out the battery, but following the update procedure I had to take out the battery anyway to get to the SD-card.
• Formatted the SD-card (w/ SD Card Formatter), also according to the update procedure.
• Put SD-card back in the camera and formatted it again (just to be sure ...🙄).
• No new set-up of preferred language and/or date&time was required.
• My two profiles were still there: no need to import the backup.
• Also image numbering was not affected. 

KoW - everything still working fine ... 

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[marchyman]

7 hours ago, Knorp said:

My two profiles were still there: no need to import the backup.

A suggestion based upon general software experience, nothing specific to Leica or the M11...

Software issues can sometimes to follow updates because some setting left some unwanted cruft that was benign in the old software but triggers something unexpected in the new.  For that reason I tend to do a full reset on the device and restore my settings from hand then re-save the settings to make an up-to-date backup.  I do not always do this.  Depends upon how much of a hassle.  For my camera it only adds another minute or three to the new software process so I typically do it.

For certain if I start having issues post update and I did not re-configure from scratch my first step would be to reset and start over.  That will sometimes fix things.

[Knorp]

14 minutes ago, marchyman said:

A suggestion based upon general software experience, nothing specific to Leica or the M11...

Software issues can sometimes to follow updates because some setting left some unwanted cruft that was benign in the old software but triggers something unexpected in the new.  For that reason I tend to do a full reset on the device and restore my settings from hand then re-save the settings to make an up-to-date backup.  I do not always do this.  Depends upon how much of a hassle.  For my camera it only adds another minute or three to the new software process so I typically do it.

For certain if I start having issues post update and I did not re-configure from scratch my first step would be to reset and start over.  That will sometimes fix things.

Makes sense - I'll keep that in mind, but so far so good.

[Yarosuav]

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I've had a silver M11 since launch and now also have a black M11-P for about a month. Both have been flawless, no freeze or other issues... 

[T25UFO]

M11 Mono user, less than 500 photos taken.  One complete freeze, sorted by popping the battery.  One massively over exposed photo, looked like a ‘white out’, but all other photos taken on the same sequence were correctly exposed.

The over exposure is more concerning than the freeze because I noticed it only after downloading to Lightroom - I rarely check the screen.  Good that it was just one photo, but not acceptable in any camera, let alone one that costs £8,000 without a lens!

[RobW0]

2 hours ago, T25UFO said:

M11 Mono user, less than 500 photos taken.  One complete freeze, sorted by popping the battery.  One massively over exposed photo, looked like a ‘white out’, but all other photos taken on the same sequence were correctly exposed.

The over exposure is more concerning than the freeze because I noticed it only after downloading to Lightroom - I rarely check the screen.  Good that it was just one photo, but not acceptable in any camera, let alone one that costs £8,000 without a lens!

I have had a couple over exposed photos and I think I have a reason for why they happened. I think mine have happened when I have moved from a low light subject to one with a lot of light, with the shutter button half pressed so the exposure was sill on the low light subject. This is with auto shutter speed and ISO. I have not had it happen shooting full manual. 

[Yarosuav]

22 minutes ago, RobW0 said:

I have had a couple over exposed photos and I think I have a reason for why they happened. I think mine have happened when I have moved from a low light subject to one with a lot of light, with the shutter button half pressed so the exposure was sill on the low light subject. This is with auto shutter speed and ISO. I have not had it happen shooting full manual. 

Yes, most probably user error. 

[chris7273]

massive overexposure : yes, it happens.... Diva's behavior 🙂 you never know when the next crisis will come, you just know that there will be one 🙂 

[scott kirkpatrick]

To answer the question in the thread title:  Yes.  Both.

[soccerrick10]

No issues with my M11M.  I’ve had it for 9 months now.

 

[Kiwimac]

So far nothing serious. By which I mean perhaps an odd switch off and on again to clear type of thing as is not uncommon with many electronic devices. 
 

Generally very much normal. Fingers crossed. 

Edited April 23, 2024 by Kiwimac

[fotografr]

On 4/2/2024 at 3:20 PM, Smogg said:

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[RobW0]

14 hours ago, Yarosuav said:

Yes, most probably user error. 

Absolutely user error. I don't feel it was the cameras fault. 

[fotografr]

This seems to be just the luck of the draw, so to speak. Someone I've been communicating with on the Fred Miranda Forum bought a new M11-P. It arrived a week ago but he wasn't able to get out with it due to other assignment work. Today he went out with his new camera for the first time and it bricked on him right away. Battery out, back in, camera working again. Still, he's a high level pro and can't afford to use a camera that might cause him to miss shots. I advised him to return to the dealer for an exchange.

[Malabito]

So  after using my M11 for over a month, it finally froze. It has actually happened a couple of times already. It happened while shooting with high continuous. Before that, I had been using single shot or low continuous and hadn't had any issues.

I have the latest firmware.

It's funny that we have €8,000 cameras and have to be happy with occasional hiccups. With the M240 and M10, I never had this issue. Actually, with the M240, I had the camera lock up perhaps once or twice during five years, and the M10 never really locked up.

Worts part is the lack of acknowledgement from Leica or any statement that they are working on it... it's been 2 years since the camera was released. 

[fotografr]

The tech specs for the M11 make this camera very appealing to working pros, but the knowledge that there is a significant risk of the camera malfunctioning during a shoot will cause many to avoid it. Imagine being on an important shoot with an art director tethered via the fotos app, everything is ready to go, then you have to say, "Wait a minute. My camera stopped working."

Or, imagine being a wedding photographer and at a crucial part of the ceremony your M11 bricks. These scenes cannot always be recreated. They are just lost and the photographer, not the camera, gets the blame.

I know two pros this has happened to. Both returned their M11s for a refund and will not buy another Leica product.

For many M11 owners, the occasional freeze up isn't a big deal. Just pull the battery, put it back in, continue on their holiday. For someone whose livelihood depends on getting "the shot," it's a very big deal indeed.

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[kiwidad]

On 4/23/2024 at 8:10 AM, fotografr said:

The tech specs for the M11 make this camera very appealing to working pros, but the knowledge that there is a significant risk of the camera malfunctioning during a shoot will cause many to avoid it. Imagine being on an important shoot with an art director tethered via the fotos app, everything is ready to go, then you have to say, "Wait a minute. My camera stopped working."

Or, imagine being a wedding photographer and at a crucial part of the ceremony your M11 bricks. These scenes cannot always be recreated. They are just lost and the photographer, not the camera, gets the blame.

I know two pros this has happened to. Both returned their M11s for a refund and will not buy another Leica product.

For many M11 owners, the occasional freeze up isn't a big deal. Just pull the battery, put it back in, continue on their holiday. For someone whose livelihood depends on getting "the shot," it's a very big deal indeed.

why do most pro's carry a backup camera. Oh that's right All cameras burp, fart and fail at inconvenient times, it's  not just Leica! Unless you shoot Nikon Canon or Sony that is and then no backup is needed! I have owned Nikon fuji Olympus and Leica and have had to pull batteries at tiems on every one of them! I never owned canon after they orphaned my FD stuff maybe they don't freeze 🙂