raizans Posted September 4, 2022 Share #81 Posted September 4, 2022 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 2 hours ago, Sunyforreal said: Website states $10/frame for 120/220 on an Epson V850 though… Sorry, you're right. I latched onto the price for a whole roll and didn't look at the "premium" individual frame scan price for 120, which is still very reasonable for what you get. A drum scan at Icon costs $40 per frame for medium format, for a 50MB file: https://www.iconla.com/product/film-scanning/?dic=crossfield If you wanted to make a print and weren't too picky, $10 per frame is an affordable option, and that's coming from someone who is completely grossed out by the gentrification of film photography. Edited September 4, 2022 by raizans Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Huss Posted September 4, 2022 Share #82 Posted September 4, 2022 4 hours ago, raizans said: and that's coming from someone who is completely grossed out by the gentrification of film photography. What does that mean? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted September 4, 2022 Share #83 Posted September 4, 2022 11 hours ago, IkarusJohn said: Given the choice between the simple, side hinged back of the FM2 or Leica’s baseplate and top hinge, I’d take the FM2 any day of the week. Top hinge? I have had the FM2 from new and I still use it and enjoy it. But I must say that just yesterday as I dropped a new roll into my MP while walking along, I thought just how easy and fast this is compared to the FM2. I wouldn’t think a new body with aperture priority makes much sense as this rumour dates back to when the M7 was given the chop… or maybe that makes total sense. Who knows? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted September 4, 2022 Share #84 Posted September 4, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Sunyforreal said: It’d have to be one darling of a camera to supplant the Mamiya 7 as the king of MF rangefinders though. But if anyone could do it, Leica could It would have to 'supplant' the current MP and M-A. The Mamiya 7(ii) body that I used for work from '97-2004 was a plastic ergonomic idiosyncratic mess that needed occasional repairs. The lenses, especially the 43mm and 50mm were almost a match for the best 35mm lenses at the time and that is the real strength of the Mamiya 7. I replaced mine with a fixed lens Fuji GSW690iii, which I still have and still use and I've always preferred it's output from the comparable quality Fujinon EBC lens and larger frame size. Either way, I don't buy your comparison between a Mamiya 7 and a Leica M on any level but I also can't see what a presumably 'cheaper' new Leica M could offer beyond potential auto exposure over the MP or M-A or simply as a means of reducing Leica's manufacturing overheads. Edited September 4, 2022 by Ouroboros 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted September 4, 2022 Share #85 Posted September 4, 2022 1 hour ago, ianman said: Who knows? Certainly not I. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted September 4, 2022 Share #86 Posted September 4, 2022 2 hours ago, IkarusJohn said: Certainly not I. That one was rhetorical, but what do you mean about the top hinge on the M? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jukka Posted September 4, 2022 Share #87 Posted September 4, 2022 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 6 hours ago, Huss said: What does that mean? I, too, find the utterance "completely grossed out by the gentrification of film photography" interesting. Does it mean that film photography has become more respectable and thus more middle class? Or does it mean that film photography has become more middle class and thus more vulgar? Given that I'm not a native English speaker, I'm a bit confused. Personally I don't find that the more common film photography is the more gross it is. Sure, it's annoying that the prices of film bodies have risen, but then again there is more demand for film and labs. I repeat myself here, but for Leica there is basically two ways to deal with this "gentrification": they can either produce analogue models with more capabilities or continue fan service and reproduce retro stuff. The choice, as said, depends on how they view the future of camera markets. With the development of phone cameras, however, it may very well be that in the future digital bodies are more obsolete than analogue ones. Yeah, it seems wacky now, but this is basically what happened to CD’s contra vinyls in the record industry. Edited September 4, 2022 by jukka Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyboy Posted September 4, 2022 Share #88 Posted September 4, 2022 There is nothing 'cheap' going in film photography these days - if we expect Leica to come with a 'cheap' alternative it's delusional. Look at their digital side, their cheaper alternative it's an SL2-S...nothing cheap about that camera, as we know. Considering film bodies have been skyrocketing in price.....followed by film (now even the 'expired' marked is expensive)....we know that IF they want to release a new body it will be an expensive piece. A lot of people complains about the cost of film these days (I certainly am!) but the truth to the matter is film sells: Kodak color film (at their ridiculous price) it's often unavailable...same for Fujifilm....so as long as people pay the price nothing is going to change... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted September 4, 2022 Share #89 Posted September 4, 2022 1 hour ago, jukka said: I repeat myself here Yes but if we didn’t all do that there would only be 14 threads in the forum. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jukka Posted September 4, 2022 Share #90 Posted September 4, 2022 7 minutes ago, ianman said: Yes but if we didn’t all do that there would only be 14 threads in the forum. Sure. I can also, without breaking a sweat, come up with at least three more ways to re-contextualize the same sh#t Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldwino Posted September 4, 2022 Share #91 Posted September 4, 2022 Maybe Cosina can make the bodies, send them to Leica to put a rangefinder on top (and to be able to call it "made in Germany")...and everybody is happy (?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
raizans Posted September 4, 2022 Share #92 Posted September 4, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, Huss said: What does that mean? It's the same thing as the gentrification of thrifting for fashion. Edited September 4, 2022 by raizans Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madNbad Posted September 4, 2022 Share #93 Posted September 4, 2022 2 hours ago, oldwino said: Maybe Cosina can make the bodies, send them to Leica to put a rangefinder on top (and to be able to call it "made in Germany")...and everybody is happy (?) Best answer yet! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew01 Posted September 4, 2022 Share #94 Posted September 4, 2022 19 hours ago, colint544 said: Here are two cameras for sale right now at Red Dot Cameras. One is brand new, the other is half a century old. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! That’s because black M4’s were not made in large numbers and there is a collectors premium added. You can get a very nice chrome M4 for less than £2k. Try shopping for a factory black paint M3 if you want a shock. Most likely around £30k! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted September 4, 2022 Share #95 Posted September 4, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, raizans said: It's the same thing as the gentrification of thrifting for fashion. Just say what you mean when you wrote : Quote completely grossed out by the gentrification of film photography The dictionary definition of gentrification is: The process whereby the character of a poor urban area is changed by wealthier people moving in, improving housing, and attracting new businesses, typically displacing current inhabitants in the process. "an area undergoing rapid gentrification" the process of making someone or something more refined, polite, or respectable. "soccer has undergone gentrification" Edited September 4, 2022 by Huss Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colint544 Posted September 4, 2022 Share #96 Posted September 4, 2022 8 minutes ago, andrew01 said: That’s because black M4’s were not made in large numbers and there is a collectors premium added. You can get a very nice chrome M4 for less than £2k. Try shopping for a factory black paint M3 if you want a shock. Most likely around £30k! Thanks for explaining that to me 👍 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew01 Posted September 4, 2022 Share #97 Posted September 4, 2022 On 9/2/2022 at 8:54 PM, JoshuaRothman said: Oh man. After auditioning (and liking!) an M10-P, I've pretty much settled on a plan to stay film-only and buy an M3 to go with my M2. Now I'm wondering if I should wait for the October announcement. Probably not—I can't imagine what they'd announce that would make more sense for me than an M3—but you never know.... If they were even capable of making a camera to the same standard as an M3 it would cost $12-$15k. My guess is the new camera will not cost less than $5k. If they are going to deviate significantly from the traditional M camera design they should not call it an M camera. A new iteration of something like the Hexar RF could be interesting. Perhaps it will be a small refinement of the MP, in which case the cost is likely to be similar to the existing model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew01 Posted September 4, 2022 Share #98 Posted September 4, 2022 20 hours ago, IkarusJohn said: Given the choice between the simple, side hinged back of the FM2 or Leica’s baseplate and top hinge, I’d take the FM2 any day of the week. Not sure that new entrants would care about the holy-grail of the M3 for Leica traditionalists. What would a clean sheet approach film camera look like, and how could it be made cheaper … obviously, it would still need to look like an M3! I would be very disappointed if they put on a hinged back and still called it an M camera. I love the simple film loading system of the M cameras and the extra body rigidity that the design brings. It is one of the unique design features that makes the M camera an iconic design that has lasted 60 years. If they go for something completely different like a modern iteration of the Hexar RF, then by all means put a hinged back on, but don’t call it an M camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted September 4, 2022 Share #99 Posted September 4, 2022 Apparently (according to Steven who no longer posts but has 'knowledge') it will be a limited edition M6 variant, expensive of course. So Leica will just make a few, that will sell out instantly as all their collector pieces do, and it will be another expensive rarity. Supposedly. IMO what counts is a new M film camera that brings advances. Not a collector piece cash in. But seeing that the M7 was cancelled - a camera way more advanced than the MP or M-A, a 'new' M is not going to happen. An expensive M6 limited run? Leica's done so many M6's like that before so this will be another of those. I count 22 M6 limited edition models on cameraquest! This will be #23 if it happens... https://cameraquest.com/classics.htm 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Wilmore Posted September 4, 2022 Share #100 Posted September 4, 2022 I'm pretty sure someone already said this would be an M6 remake, about a year ago already... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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