grahamc Posted September 9, 2022 Share #161 Posted September 9, 2022 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Whilst this is purely a complete guess, I'm going with : Interchangeable lens camera, replacing Leica MP Design styling circa updated M6. But really M6/MP who cares. Updated shutter 1/4000 No glossy/traditional black paint option. Materials & coatings shared with M11- meaning also that (like M11) the finish will be called 'black paint', but look like black chrome. Product/Marketing info will stress scratch-resistance/durability, instead of brassing/'memories' No meaningful upgrade to MP viewfinder No baseplate (OK that was a joke but wow just imagine) Lighter than current film M, or at least the black one A-priority mode I'm unsure but I'm going with 'probable'. I don't really care for any of these btw other than 1/4000 but am excited to see what they put out . What are other ideas for updates (realistic ones) that Leica might feel would 'revolutionise' a film M ? Edited September 9, 2022 by grahamc 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Huss Posted September 9, 2022 Share #162 Posted September 9, 2022 2 hours ago, graphlex said: There must be something new to test. That's what I'm thinking. If it was a re-introduced M6 - even if slightly improved (which would make it an MP..) there basically would be nothing to test, per se. Same old camera with perhaps cosmetic changes. But for it to be out in the field being tested for 9 months - that suggests an all-new camera where they are making sure to work out the issues. Again, all pure conjecture! But for Leica to post a throw back CM photo... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted September 9, 2022 Share #163 Posted September 9, 2022 8 minutes ago, Huss said: But for Leica to post a throw back CM photo... true ! 🤔 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsetiono01 Posted September 9, 2022 Share #164 Posted September 9, 2022 I noticed in the Singapore Leica Store page, the Silver Version of the MP is no longer listed: See here in Web Archive : https://web.archive.org/web/20211021233001/https://leica-store.sg/products/leica-mp-0-72-silver-chrome-finish You can't find the product anywhere else here : https://leica-store.sg/collections/leica-m-cameras Usually they only remove Camera / Lenses that are discontinued, or Special Edition sets that are no longer planned to be re-stocked. For example, the Black Paint M10-R was still listed until around last month (and yes it was in stock for weeks before they removed the listing). This time, the removal of the Silver MP is curious because its a current production camera. The Black paint one is still there, suggesting that it may remain as a collectors edition item and the upcoming Film camera would be a Metered, Silver in colour. How about in other countries, have your Leica store website started to remove the Silver MPs? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted September 9, 2022 Share #165 Posted September 9, 2022 7 minutes ago, dsetiono01 said: I noticed in the Singapore Leica Store page, the Silver Version of the MP is no longer listed: See here in Web Archive : https://web.archive.org/web/20211021233001/https://leica-store.sg/products/leica-mp-0-72-silver-chrome-finish You can't find the product anywhere else here : https://leica-store.sg/collections/leica-m-cameras Usually they only remove Camera / Lenses that are discontinued, or Special Edition sets that are no longer planned to be re-stocked. For example, the Black Paint M10-R was still listed until around last month (and yes it was in stock for weeks before they removed the listing). This time, the removal of the Silver MP is curious because its a current production camera. The Black paint one is still there, suggesting that it may remain as a collectors edition item and the upcoming Film camera would be a Metered, Silver in colour. How about in other countries, have your Leica store website started to remove the Silver MPs? Nope, not in the US. Silver MP on the Leica site and at stores. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madNbad Posted September 9, 2022 Share #166 Posted September 9, 2022 I’m going with they’re bringing back the M5. Since it’s all speculation at this time, why not? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrickjames Posted September 9, 2022 Share #167 Posted September 9, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) After looking at that picture on the previous page, note how they are hiding the shutter with film. I am guessing a regular shutter instead of a cloth shutter and the electronics to run it. That would be nice. Faster shutter speeds. Faster flash sync. Auto exposure. The whole traditional thing is worn out in my opinion. If they did that then they could disengage the shutter from a motor drive. Win win. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted September 9, 2022 Share #168 Posted September 9, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, dsetiono01 said: I noticed in the Singapore Leica Store page, the Silver Version of the MP is no longer listed: See here in Web Archive : https://web.archive.org/web/20211021233001/https://leica-store.sg/products/leica-mp-0-72-silver-chrome-finish You can't find the product anywhere else here : https://leica-store.sg/collections/leica-m-cameras Usually they only remove Camera / Lenses that are discontinued, or Special Edition sets that are no longer planned to be re-stocked. For example, the Black Paint M10-R was still listed until around last month (and yes it was in stock for weeks before they removed the listing). This time, the removal of the Silver MP is curious because its a current production camera. The Black paint one is still there, suggesting that it may remain as a collectors edition item and the upcoming Film camera would be a Metered, Silver in colour. How about in other countries, have your Leica store website started to remove the Silver MPs? Australia: You can "pre-order" MP , both colours (clickable link for payment of 10% deposit) M-A Silver Chrome is "in-stock" (clickable link for full payment) M-A Black Chrome is "back-order" (button greyed out, can't click through). << Does this mean N/A ? M-A Titan Set is also "back-order" (button greyed out, can't click through) << we know this means N/A Reality is these differences in shopping cart terminology may not mean that much (see recent posts about MP being "available June 2027" in US, etc etc) Edited September 9, 2022 by grahamc Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madNbad Posted September 9, 2022 Share #169 Posted September 9, 2022 (edited) The other option is, Leica Rumors needs more clicks to bump up their advertising revenue. I’m sticking with the return of the M5. Edited September 9, 2022 by madNbad 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotoklaus Posted September 9, 2022 Share #170 Posted September 9, 2022 vor einer Stunde schrieb patrickjames: After looking at that picture on the previous page, note how they are hiding the shutter with film. I am guessing a regular shutter instead of a cloth shutter and the electronics to run it. That would be nice. Faster shutter speeds. Faster flash sync. Auto exposure. The whole traditional thing is worn out in my opinion. If they did that then they could disengage the shutter from a motor drive. Win win. You mean Features from 40 Years ago to be announced as "leica-new"? 🙂 I think the "traditional-thing" is the only reason to buy a new film- Leica. The M7 was already 25 Years too late (and marked almost the end of Leica...) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
T25UFO Posted September 9, 2022 Share #171 Posted September 9, 2022 18 hours ago, Al Brown said: Leica Camera has just sent out a newsleter with content & links completely dedicated to film photography. a VERY clear message that something analog is coming. "It goes without saying that Leica's heritage is in film and the love for the essentials of photography. Visit our website to see tips and stories from the realm of analog photography, that every film enthusiast should know. Because understanding the basics is essential for creating images with a unique aura, that no one can resist." Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! That was a clever bit of marketing . . . the hand holding the Leica film camera appears to have an Apple Watch! Old and modern? Or am I reading too much into this? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunyforreal Posted September 9, 2022 Share #172 Posted September 9, 2022 3 hours ago, grahamc said: Whilst this is purely a complete guess, I'm going with : Interchangeable lens camera, replacing Leica MP Design styling circa updated M6. But really M6/MP who cares. Updated shutter 1/4000 No glossy/traditional black paint option. Materials & coatings shared with M11- meaning also that (like M11) the finish will be called 'black paint', but look like black chrome. Product/Marketing info will stress scratch-resistance/durability, instead of brassing/'memories' No meaningful upgrade to MP viewfinder No baseplate (OK that was a joke but wow just imagine) Lighter than current film M, or at least the black one A-priority mode I'm unsure but I'm going with 'probable'. I don't really care for any of these btw other than 1/4000 but am excited to see what they put out . What are other ideas for updates (realistic ones) that Leica might feel would 'revolutionise' a film M ? Ima throw what I said earlier in again, all Leica needs to do is make an M version of the FM3a and I would be ecstatic. 1/4000th, AE with full electronic AND full mechanical control at all shutter speeds. I think that would be all it takes to make the best film rangefinder camera ever made. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted September 9, 2022 Share #173 Posted September 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, Sunyforreal said: Ima throw what I said earlier in again, all Leica needs to do is make an M version of the FM3a and I would be ecstatic. 1/4000th, AE with full electronic AND full mechanical control at all shutter speeds. I think that would be all it takes to make the best film rangefinder camera ever made. I won't argue with that, sounds great 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colint544 Posted September 9, 2022 Share #174 Posted September 9, 2022 Leica's business model trades heavily on its heritage, and the M camera is at the heart of that. In the past ten years or so, they've scarcely put a foot wrong, and managed to pull their company back from the brink. There seems little doubt now that a new M model will be added to the stable. Might they consolidate the M-P and the M-A into a single model which appeals to younger enthusiasts? It could cut down on the overheads. Might there be a red dot? I think so. But if they re-imagine the film M, give it a metal-bladed shutter, 1/4000th second shutter speed, auto exposure, or even a millimetre thicker or taller dimensions to the body, I think they undermine their legacy. I just can't see it. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted September 9, 2022 Share #175 Posted September 9, 2022 7 minutes ago, colint544 said: . There seems little doubt now that a new M model will be added to the stable... Little doubt? We have no idea, it's all rumors and wishful thinking. On my part too. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Brown Posted September 9, 2022 Share #176 Posted September 9, 2022 14 hours ago, graphlex said: There must be something new to test. Think of a possible new lens as well. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crem Posted September 9, 2022 Share #177 Posted September 9, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Al Brown said: Think of a possible new lens as well. Summilux 35 steel rim re-issue that normal humans can actually afford. I'm already trying to get on waitlists. Edited September 9, 2022 by Crem Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Brown Posted September 9, 2022 Share #178 Posted September 9, 2022 9 minutes ago, Crem said: I'm already trying to get on waitlists. Have you had any success ☺️ and how much is this affordable price 🙂? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crem Posted September 9, 2022 Share #179 Posted September 9, 2022 Just now, Al Brown said: Have you had any success ☺️ and how much is this affordable price 🙂? The affordable comment was mostly a joke. I think a steel rim re-issue for $5k USD would be sold out for a long time. I guess I'd call that "affordable" in Leica dollars 😀 Realistically... I think they would charge more than that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvidArchRivals Posted September 10, 2022 Share #180 Posted September 10, 2022 If there's a new lens, my bet is it's a collapsible 50mm reissue and updated for digital. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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