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4 hours ago, T25UFO said:

There seems to be two camps here - Leica once again polarising views.  While I have no interest in buying this camera - I couldn't even if I wanted to because it's made of unobtainium - I have to concede that a special edition film camera makes more sense than a special edition digital camera.  The film camera will be making photographs long after the Hermes M9 or the Lenny Kravitz Monochrom have given up.

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3 hours ago, 250swb said:

Because it would be about photography and not the vapid equipment 'bling' of the camera that has no inherent genius in itself. But if you have to ask I guess I already guessed where many people come from. Fair enough, buy what ever you like, or dream of, but I doubt the Titanium edition will ever be used to make any significant photographs, where I don't care what camera was used to make significant photographs. Art is art, not a camera.

So why are you on a Leica site?  You don’t need a Leica to create art.   Collecting someone else’s work is THE definition of being a collector, something that you abhor.  But yet if it is something you like to collect, it is ok. Pretty funny.

I have no interest in hanging someone else’s work on my walls.  I like to create mine own BUT I do appreciate other people’s art.  Which is why I go and see it at shows, in museums, on the internet, heck I can even buy an Adams calendar!

But for someone who claims to be all about the art, buying someone elses is not a tool for creating your own.  This Leica can be used to create art if the owner decides to.  Your framed someone else’s effort cannot.

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15 hours ago, Huss said:

The interesting thing about this is that it brings out people who somehow are offended that such a camera exists.  And thus feel they need to tell everyone why it is ridiculous.  And yet, no-one is making anyone do anything against their will.  No-one is forcing anyone to buy it.  But for some the implied hurt is so palpable.

Offended? Ridiculous? Hurt? You’re a strange one.  No one has said any such thing.

I said it looks nice but it’s not for me.  Is it that difficult to understand?

 

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14 hours ago, 250swb said:

I'm not sure of the point you are making? If you buy photographs of torture cheaply that is your perogative, but I was referring to photographs in a like-for-like price range with the Titanium M-A. I mean seriously, have you turned this into a debate about how many photographs of war and torture you can buy compared with an Edward Steichen photograph?

I did not say that. I said I have a specific focus in my photography collection. Someone Like Kudelka are around 50.000 Burri's of Che is around 8.500 - Depardon Barbery are around 10-18K - but who cares and why?

My point is that the cost is irrelevant if it's about the artform, photography. I have Richard Prince, Anna Gaskel, Cindy Sherman, Nan Golding, Wolfang Tillmans, Vera Lutter, Jenny Holzer etc etc etc. I respect and like my conflict photography more than the contemporary icons I just mentioned but they don't cost 200.000 to 700.000€ - so my point is that price is irrelevant. 

The MA is as you say not likely to produce any iconic pictures. Vanagtemal, Lindsy Adario and Meloni are all using simple digital work horses. Kapa use Contax mostly. Whats that got to do with anything?

I don't understand your point either. Is a camera more respectable if the outcome cost 30.000 and not 5000? Is it not about what is capture and why and the context of the photo? 

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8 hours ago, Ouroboros said:

Offended? Ridiculous? Hurt? You’re a strange one.  No one has said any such thing.

I said it looks nice but it’s not for me.  Is it that difficult to understand?

 

actually quite a few have.  There are two or three threads on this site discussing this lens.  

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9 hours ago, Ouroboros said:

Offended? Ridiculous? Hurt? You’re a strange one.  No one has said any such thing.

Actually the OP seemed to get pretty offended when I dared mention that I don’t know what all the fuss is about. To me i this finish is no better or worse than a bog standard M-A, and as the output will not be enhanced in anyway I still can’t see what the fuss is about unless it’s bought as an investment. Seeing latest prices of Leica gear and the recent stock markets free fall it could be a good enough investment tbh. The new gold one however… that is ridiculous.

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24 minutes ago, ianman said:

The new gold one however… that is ridiculous.

A touch of history repeating itself. I am thinking of the Leica I 'Luxus' released just at the start of the depression in 1929. Obviously a very different camera but it makes you think. 

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9 hours ago, ianman said:

Actually the OP seemed to get pretty offended when I dared mention that I don’t know what all the fuss is about. To me i this finish is no better or worse than a bog standard M-A, and as the output will not be enhanced in anyway I still can’t see what the fuss is about unless it’s bought as an investment. Seeing latest prices of Leica gear and the recent stock markets free fall it could be a good enough investment tbh. The new gold one however… that is ridiculous.

It's because you do know what the fuss is about.  If you didn't, you wouldn't have commented on a thread about a new limited edition Leica unless you failed to grasp that is a limited run camera milled from titanium.

And of course the photos will be no different than a regular M-A.  The same way that the photos from a regular M-A will be no different from an M4-2, or Cosina Bessa  with the same lens.

Why buy a Leica?  Even the cheapest one makes no sense from a practical standpoint.  If you do own a Leica, you have already determined that purchasing a luxury item makes sense to you. But what has happened is you have decided where your financial cut off lies.  If you do own a Leica, what do you say your reason is to someone who says you are nuts for spending that much money?

Let's face it, whoever manages to get the M-A Ti at the release price has basically lucked out, no matter what they decide to do with it.

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25 minutes ago, IkarusJohn said:

What was this thread about, again?

A camera with magical powers… It is a work of art in itself so you do not have to use it, just stare at its beauty in awe and admiration wishing to be one of the 250 (Or resell it to make 💰).

As a side note, if you are one of the 250 looking to get rid of your standard MA (too heavy, or not satisfactory for any reason), I’d be more than happy to help!

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On 6/11/2022 at 11:49 PM, logan2z said:

I think it's a cool looking camera, but I can't help but think that none of the other lenses in Leica's lineup - black, silver, green - will look good with it.  So it's a cool looking camera with exactly one lens that works with it aesthetically. But if it's never going to leave the box in most cases then I guess that's irrelevant.  

Exactly what I was thinking.

I love the look of the camera but I'd only have one matching titanium lens.  I think it would lose that magic with any of my chrome or black lenses mounted.
Wouldn't work with my OCD so I just saved $20,000.  Well, that's how I would rationalise not buying  it 🙂

However, if it was sold with a 50 and 28 I'd be in trouble 🙄.

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